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Me vs SiL - the most underwhelming of battles.

306 replies

Lwrenn · 03/04/2024 08:39

Backstory & buckle up, it's a long one!
More wwyd than aibu but I'm confused af with this. Anyhow.

Bil is pretty awesome and so are his gorgeous wee boys. Bil and I have always had a close friendship. He not only is a terrific uncle to his birth related nephews but also adores my oldest dc. Also a lad.
When he met sil I was so happy, she was everything he wanted, she adores him, he adores her, they went on to have 2 perfect wee boys. Our boys all adore one another.
But after her last lad (they only want 2 kids, they were blessed) she was upset she'd never have "her girl" and wasn't exactly quietly hurt about it, instead more outwardly furious. She went from being very sweet to disappointed with most things and with that became passive aggression with everything. We were close, neither of us talk to MiL due to her being a deranged lunatic towards us, so we had some solidarity. We also babysat as often as they wanted, from newborn age until toddler age before sils parents moved closer to be on hand, so we see the boys less now but her parents are lovely and involved and its nice for them all. Now, last year I had my final baby and all the way through she kept saying I'd have another boy, I agreed, having had 3 already I just presumed that also. But I didn't, I had a girl.
She hasn't spoken to me, blocked dp from fb and when bil came to see his niece and sent a selfie she went apeshit at him, saying he was rubbing in her face the one thing she'd never had.
I said to him when she comes round she's a niece who will adore her and she can hopefully have some relationship with when she's ready. I left it at that.
I'm possibly being insensitive but I've struggled with baby loss and awful pregnancies etc, she had 2 wonderful pregnancies, no issues with conceiving, both pregnancies first month off pill, I think she's had it pretty good so I'm not begging her to accept my daughter, she can do one, my wee girl has all the love in the world, sil isn't hugely relevant to my 8 month old.

Now, here is where a problem has risen, I'm a sen mum with 2 (likely 3 but 2 diagnosed asd kiddos) and her youngest is showing neurospicy signs.
Not only am I sen mum, but I've worked with sen so I'm a good person to give support and a handhold whilst going through the process of getting a diagnosis and also little suggestions to help with things, so she's asked bil can i talk to her and go through things with her from visual aids and prompts, how to use social stories and fill out paperwork for her dc. All of which I'm happy to do, i have tons of books and other things here that would be useful to her. Plus, I'm not mad at seeing her, like I say - we were quite close.
But here is the thing, it's on the provision I don't even mention my daughter as she couldn't cope with it.
I'm not to even say her name, if my phone screen has her picture I'm to change it before going over to help her.

Because this is to help DN, I'll probably do it. Plus sen mum is a scary water to navigate alone at first, I feel I should comply to her rules and not upset her, but also, I feel like I'm shunning my own DD.
Like I say, it's not like she's lost a baby or is trying with no luck for another, she just didn't get the "daughter she envisaged".

Wise ones of mumsnet, wwyd?

OP posts:
Curlyblondefemale · 03/04/2024 19:45

TeaKitten · 03/04/2024 08:46

Given that your BIL is also the kids parent - give the help to him directly.

Agree with this, she needs to speak with someone professional about her not having a daughter issue.. not at all normal behaviour!

Gilead · 03/04/2024 19:50

Sounds like the whole family is being manipulated. She needs counselling and people that stand up to her and tell her this behaviour is unacceptable. Ffs.

101Nutella · 03/04/2024 19:52

This is awful.
also if she had a girl could they live up to the stereo type / scenarios she’s made up in her head for them?! Probably not.
she needs serious help. How awful for her children to be made to feel not enough. And how awful for your daughter.

do not help her. How dare she try to erase your amazing child from your lives.
tell your BIL you can help but you won’t be pretending your child doesn’t exist because it’s insane and deeply offensive.

Iwasafool · 03/04/2024 19:58

101Nutella · 03/04/2024 19:52

This is awful.
also if she had a girl could they live up to the stereo type / scenarios she’s made up in her head for them?! Probably not.
she needs serious help. How awful for her children to be made to feel not enough. And how awful for your daughter.

do not help her. How dare she try to erase your amazing child from your lives.
tell your BIL you can help but you won’t be pretending your child doesn’t exist because it’s insane and deeply offensive.

You reminded me of the birth of my second child, it was a home birth and the midwife and student midwife were sitting chatting with me to pass the time. The midwife told me she recently delivered a baby girl to a woman who had 11 sons (I think the baby girl was 12th but it might have been she had 12 sons and then the girl) Apparently she was desperate for a girl and prepared to carry on till she got one.

I said I felt sorry for those boys who just weren't good enough and born to be replaced by the mythical girl as soon as possible. The midwife said she felt sorry for the baby girl who carried such expectations on her little shoulders. In the end I just felt sorry for them all.

saffronflower · 03/04/2024 20:01

I've just been reading this thread and thinking how absolutely lovely you sound OP. Caring, kind, witty, and I love the inclusiveness of "neurospicy".

I wish you were my SIL.

Caroparo52 · 03/04/2024 20:03

As you said you can't shun your own daughter nor should you even contemplate it. She will accept help on her terms? Erm nope. You would be adding to the complex issue she sadly has by playing along and dishonouring your dd and your own correct maternal feelings.
Help yes but follow your gut and not on her terms

Mnk711 · 03/04/2024 20:05

I'd approach this differently to a lot of PPs. For whatever reason not having a girl has traumatised SIL. There's something going on there that needs addressing - is it about having another go at a mother/daughter relationship and getting it right (if hers with her own mother was bad for example)? Is it feeling alone and seeing a daughter as a new best friend? Could she have aborted a baby girl as a teen and regretted it all her life? Etc There are lots of reasons why but for sure she needs counselling. I would treat this situation as sensitively as I would if she'd lost a baby daughter and I would engage with her. I'd be kind and supportive and give her what she has asked for re SEN advice.

I'd then, having built trust, ask her if she was OK and say you value your old relationship and miss being able to hang out with her all together. I think by that means if there's a psychological sensitivity there she's more likely to mention it or to soften a bit. If she doesn't and is difficult or rude then you've lost nothing, but I personally think the best approach for your DD is to try to help the relationship get back on track, not to refuse to engage and suggest she's being ridiculous. That way lies a permanent estrangement. She may well be being spoilt and ridiculous, but equally there could be some kind of trauma there that is making her behave like this, particularly if she was fine before.

NamingConundrum · 03/04/2024 20:07

She needs a good hard dose of reality. She's being fucking ridiculous. She is putting up all these barriers. She doesn't want to know about DD, then tell BIL. But SHE won't let him see his own niece because of HER problem even though its for her own child's benefit. She needs someone to tell her she's an absolute mental case willing to do something detrimental to her own actual child that's right in front of her over a fictional daughter she never had. Absolutely do not meet her face to face until she sends an apology and does away with those ridiculous rules. Has she thought how her sons are going to feel in the future when she continues to behave this way? How upset they'll be knowing a child that doesn't exist is favoured over them?

YouMustBeHappyNow · 03/04/2024 20:09

Lwrenn · 03/04/2024 19:27

Here are my views on why I actually like "neurospicy".
Since its become a thing.

Lots of people who haven't received official a diagnosis are still living with the same struggles as those who have been diagnosed officially. Those people can't say, "I have autism" because no doubt someone will jump down their throat regarding an official diagnosis or "statemented" as it were a long time ago. Those people still deserve to be included for their struggles. Sure some people might slip through riding the wave of neurodiverse struggles, but unless you're that person's psychiatrist then you probably aren't the best person to worry about it. I'm not going to dismiss the struggles of anyone who belongs under the neurodiverse umbrella because someone may have it worse. Its why "neurospicy" is inclusive, its not saying your problems are lesser than someone else's because someone is a korma and another a vindaloo, its all spice, we're all in it together.

If you dislike the word because you feel it minimises the plight of your individual circumstance or that of your loved ones, then that's how you feel. As someone with a child who is in a specialist school, who will never live independently, who will attack me without warning, who's life will always be riddled with anxiety because the world isn't designed for him, I'm not going to not let others with less severe behaviours "join our club", because they have it easier, because it doesn't work like that. I could moan about more palatable autism being tolerated, maybe those wearing "neurospicy" red shirts when my child is chewing his clothes and sometimes likes to strip off altogether. But I accept its a spectrum, I feel that everyone who struggles on that spectrum deserves to have their struggles noted, without having to give indepth specifics to anyone else. When I've had shitty people kick off at me because my son isn't meeting social expectations, that person isn't owed his diagnosis, nor would they get it. I'm not arguing with someone about the neurodiversity my child who can't consent to telling anyone his personal information, but acknowledging he isn't typical isn't as invasive and the more people that use inclusive wording that isn't as clinical to me, helps with inclusion.

We can disagree as much as you want, but like pissing in a neighbours yard wont make yours any greener, trying to minimise those with less severe neuro diversity won't make my sons life any easier.

I hope that made sense.

Brava OP 💐

Thereislightattheendofthetunnel · 03/04/2024 20:18

Biffbaff · 03/04/2024 08:46

No way - she is being cheeky AF to ask for your help after how she has treated you, and then to place such an outrageous condition on it!

She sounds like she needs some serious therapy and possibly even a diagnosis herself. Her gender disappointment is her own issue to work through, not yours to accommodate by pretending your daughter doesn't exist!

I would not be helping her until she acknowledges how unreasonable she is being towards her own niece and SIL.

This 100%

Cakeandcookies · 03/04/2024 20:19

Ah @Lwrenn firstly congratulations on your DD and hugs to you for being in a horrible situation. I am in a similar profession and can completely understand you wanting to help your nephew and bil. But like many other posters on here... and I think with respect @DisforDarkChocolate nailed it your DD will forever be part of yours and your families life. She shouldn't feel shunned or pushed out. Ever. It's not her fault that your sil clearly needs some help. I feel that you either give the help to bil or not at all as she has reached out because she wants something. Her 'conditions' are mad.. essentially because they are triggering her but she needs help. What does your hubby/partner say? I personally feel you need to say to bil you will help but his niece should not be hidden and you won't so that's the offer. She accepts it/gets help or you will help him but you aren't hiding her away. Also she is 8 months at any point you might have to go back or feed etc. You are NOT in the wrong at all! 💐

SpidersAreShitheads · 03/04/2024 20:55

Lwrenn · 03/04/2024 19:27

Here are my views on why I actually like "neurospicy".
Since its become a thing.

Lots of people who haven't received official a diagnosis are still living with the same struggles as those who have been diagnosed officially. Those people can't say, "I have autism" because no doubt someone will jump down their throat regarding an official diagnosis or "statemented" as it were a long time ago. Those people still deserve to be included for their struggles. Sure some people might slip through riding the wave of neurodiverse struggles, but unless you're that person's psychiatrist then you probably aren't the best person to worry about it. I'm not going to dismiss the struggles of anyone who belongs under the neurodiverse umbrella because someone may have it worse. Its why "neurospicy" is inclusive, its not saying your problems are lesser than someone else's because someone is a korma and another a vindaloo, its all spice, we're all in it together.

If you dislike the word because you feel it minimises the plight of your individual circumstance or that of your loved ones, then that's how you feel. As someone with a child who is in a specialist school, who will never live independently, who will attack me without warning, who's life will always be riddled with anxiety because the world isn't designed for him, I'm not going to not let others with less severe behaviours "join our club", because they have it easier, because it doesn't work like that. I could moan about more palatable autism being tolerated, maybe those wearing "neurospicy" red shirts when my child is chewing his clothes and sometimes likes to strip off altogether. But I accept its a spectrum, I feel that everyone who struggles on that spectrum deserves to have their struggles noted, without having to give indepth specifics to anyone else. When I've had shitty people kick off at me because my son isn't meeting social expectations, that person isn't owed his diagnosis, nor would they get it. I'm not arguing with someone about the neurodiversity my child who can't consent to telling anyone his personal information, but acknowledging he isn't typical isn't as invasive and the more people that use inclusive wording that isn't as clinical to me, helps with inclusion.

We can disagree as much as you want, but like pissing in a neighbours yard wont make yours any greener, trying to minimise those with less severe neuro diversity won't make my sons life any easier.

I hope that made sense.

I don't know if this post is partly in response to my comment, but I'm thinking it might be. As per previous, I'm autistic myself so often get these things wrong, so honestly I have no idea 🤦🏻‍♀️ I'm going to assume that it might be as mine was one of the later comments on this subject.

If it is, then my primary objection wasn't that the word neurospicy trivialises the difficulties faced by those who are genuinely neurodivergent - although it does, as perfectly described by @Puffalicious. My main issue is the fact that people claiming ND when they aren't often causes genuine harm to those who are.

Although everyone talks about awareness and acceptance, the fact is that it's not really improving. Look at MN - there's a whole series of threads solely devoted to how awful neurodivergent people are. And there are so many inaccuracies and unpleasant comments about ND people - when actually the undesirable behaviours described are typically nothing to do with neurodivergence. And the more people that get diagnosed as ND, the worse the public perception seems to get. The fact that women who were missed as children are now getting a diagnosis seems to have led to a widespread dismissal of neurodivergence as a genuine condition - even more than before.

I've seen a significant number of people bandy around the excuse of "neurospicy" as a means of explaining really unpleasant behaviour. About things that are nothing to do with neurodivergence, but are being claimed as such by people who define themselves as neurospicy. They don't self-identify as autistic or ADHD, just neurospicy.

And then of course what happens is that the general public sees this and it perpetuates the belief that neurodivergence is all made-up bollocks. Invisible disabilities get a really rough ride, ADHD even more so than autism, and that's why we have to be really scrupulous about how we present ourselves.

So, yes, I think it matters when people put themselves under an umbrella, when by doing so they harm the community of people they claim to belong to.

With DC who are ND you are already very aware of the lack of tolerance out there. That's why it matters, and that's why it's important.

I also disagree re self-diagnosis. In every single ND group I'm in, self-diagnosis is embraced and accepted. I know many adults (women) who don't want to go through the stress of diagnosis but describe themselves as autistic.

I suspect the fact you're not diagnosed yourself but believe that you are ND means you're also quite sensitive to criticism of the term because it feels like a personal attack. I can't speak for anyone else, but my dislike of the word has nothing to do with excluding anyone who believes they are neurodivergent but aren't diagnosed.

None of this is about not allowing people in the "club". Due to the waiting times and the difficulties in accessing professionals, self-diagnosis is widely and almost universally accepted within the community.

But when autistic and neurodivergent people are having to work very, very hard to be treated fairly and to be taken seriously, perception really matters.

I've seen many, many people describe themselves as neurospicy even though they don't believe that they're "fully" autistic, ADHD, DCD, etc.

As I said earlier, it's akin to the awful, oft-repeated "everyone is a little bit autistic" mantra - which is so, so harmful to the ND community because it encourages people not to make reasonable adjustments or accommodations because well, they don't like noise either and that's just the same kind of thing, right?! If they can put up with it, then autistic people should do so too. And so on.

We obviously don't agree and that's fine. It's nothing to do with pissing on other people's yards. I only commented to describe to another poster the recent prevalence of the term, and why some autistic individuals are so opposed to its use. And also, crucially, I did defend your right to use the phrase if it's something that you like.

I didn't comment to ask you to stop using the word - I was providing an explanation to posters who haven't heard of the phrase before. I said earlier and I'll say it again, it's up to you what words you use to describe yourself.

A large chunk of the autistic community deeply dislike the "I have autism" phrase as opposed to "I'm autistic" - but there are still some that prefer the "have" terminology - so if people can't agree on that fairly simple descriptor, I don't imagine for a second that they'll be a universal agreement on "neurospicy" any time soon 😅

You're not going to change my mind any more than I'm going to change yours so we can agree to disagree on this.

Also, if it's any consolation I hate the word chillax even more than neurospicy 😅

Good luck with the situation with your SIL. Lots of good advice on here and sounds as if your DH has it all in hand when he visits next. Hope it works out in the end.

Mystro202 · 03/04/2024 20:59

Cuppachuchu · 03/04/2024 09:15

She thinks you owe her the help because you had a daughter and she didn't. Almost like a penance. I wouldn't go along with it. Let her find help elsewhere.

Absolutely this , she is a complete & utter bully

AndReaderHeMarriedMyFriend · 03/04/2024 21:53

I’ve had two people tell me that they wouldn’t have spoken to me years ago because I had girls.
But that they’d got over it, so now could !!
One specifically because I had girls and she really wanted one, the second, because I had more than one child.
I can’t imagine ever being like this.

So when you wonder why one specific person seems to hate you for no reason, it could be anything, but is usually nothing whatever to do with you.

DarkDarkNight · 03/04/2024 22:03

She needs help. This is not a proportionate response to wanting but not getting a daughter. Her poor sons! Before I had my son I would have said I wanted a daughter more if I could have picked, it’s normal to have a preference. But I adore my son and wouldn’t change him for the world, and honestly would be thrilled with another boy if I was to have more.

I would not pander to this at all. Having a picture of your baby on your lock screen, or mentioning her name is not rubbing your SIL’s nose in it. She needs to grow up and realise how bloody lucky she is.

Soowoo · 03/04/2024 22:22

You really should not agree to pretend that your daughter does not exist. Your sister in law is being completely unreasonable and pandering to her won’t do her any favours in the long run.

TheIcecreamManCometh · 03/04/2024 22:28

I'm not keen on "neurospicy" as my son isn't a nik-nak Wink

Joking aside, the issue with it for me is that I automatically think of a Nando's
spiceometer (extra mild/mild/medium/hot/extra hot) which is linear.
They might both be spicy but a korma is milder than a vindaloo. This brings to mind the arguments that used to ensue on here comparing (old terms) "Aspergers/HFA" with Kanners presentation.

Neurospicy also sounds non-scientific/made up*
However what people want to call themselves, whether it's Aspie, #ActuallyAutistic or None of your fecking business is absolutely up to them.

*Caveat: I am not Gen Z and do not use the Tik of Tok Grin. It just comes across as ND=quirky, when for so many it's bloody harder than "a touch of the tism" (allegedly what some are also using these days). Ignore me, I am officially Old.

BusyMummy001 · 03/04/2024 22:45

AndReaderHeMarriedMyFriend · 03/04/2024 21:53

I’ve had two people tell me that they wouldn’t have spoken to me years ago because I had girls.
But that they’d got over it, so now could !!
One specifically because I had girls and she really wanted one, the second, because I had more than one child.
I can’t imagine ever being like this.

So when you wonder why one specific person seems to hate you for no reason, it could be anything, but is usually nothing whatever to do with you.

And people wonder why there are so many children who are identifying as a different gender in primary schools…

I’d be very concerned for OP’s nephews, frankly.

Pickled21 · 03/04/2024 22:49

You sound lovely op and a much better woman than me as I wouldn't entertain helping her if she couldn't bring herself to acknowledge my child. I'd be inclined to give bil the resources and say once sil apologises and starts behaving like an adult you will converse with her.

WickedWitchOfTheEast87 · 03/04/2024 22:49

CoraPirbright · 03/04/2024 18:36

What worries me, though, is what on earth is going to happen when there is some sort of family get-together like Christmas or a significant birthday. What will your SIL do then? Demand that you don’t attend so she doesn’t have to see your daughter? Madness!!

@CoraPirbright I couldn't agree more with you. The SIL will escalate things if this is allowed to continue she's testing the boundaries right now, the next step is stomping on them until they're non existent. I can also see the SIL issuing ultimatums that OP's DD can't attend family functions as its too painful for SIL so its one or the other. God what is wrong with some people they're so jealous they take their spite out on an innocent baby. The SIL is acting like the OP deliberately had a girl and is rubbing SIL face in it when its beyond the OP's control what gender her child is 🙄

autumncrisp · 03/04/2024 22:53

I say this as a parent of a child with asd, a parent of both a son and a daughter and being nurospicy myself.

Over my fucking dead body would I pretend any of my children don't exist for another person. And if anyone ever expected me to, irrelevant of the reason I'd lose all respect and time for them.

Your sister in law needs help. And not from you. There are plenty of professionals she can speak to. For both her own mental health and advice for her sons. Don't go down this route at the expense of your little girl who has done nothing wrong but exist.

Where will it end? Will she forbid your sons from mentioning their little sister when she sees them? Deny to her own children they have a new cousin?

You'd be an absolute fool to agree to do it even once. She's deluded.

Lwrenn · 03/04/2024 23:00

SpidersAreShitheads · 03/04/2024 20:55

I don't know if this post is partly in response to my comment, but I'm thinking it might be. As per previous, I'm autistic myself so often get these things wrong, so honestly I have no idea 🤦🏻‍♀️ I'm going to assume that it might be as mine was one of the later comments on this subject.

If it is, then my primary objection wasn't that the word neurospicy trivialises the difficulties faced by those who are genuinely neurodivergent - although it does, as perfectly described by @Puffalicious. My main issue is the fact that people claiming ND when they aren't often causes genuine harm to those who are.

Although everyone talks about awareness and acceptance, the fact is that it's not really improving. Look at MN - there's a whole series of threads solely devoted to how awful neurodivergent people are. And there are so many inaccuracies and unpleasant comments about ND people - when actually the undesirable behaviours described are typically nothing to do with neurodivergence. And the more people that get diagnosed as ND, the worse the public perception seems to get. The fact that women who were missed as children are now getting a diagnosis seems to have led to a widespread dismissal of neurodivergence as a genuine condition - even more than before.

I've seen a significant number of people bandy around the excuse of "neurospicy" as a means of explaining really unpleasant behaviour. About things that are nothing to do with neurodivergence, but are being claimed as such by people who define themselves as neurospicy. They don't self-identify as autistic or ADHD, just neurospicy.

And then of course what happens is that the general public sees this and it perpetuates the belief that neurodivergence is all made-up bollocks. Invisible disabilities get a really rough ride, ADHD even more so than autism, and that's why we have to be really scrupulous about how we present ourselves.

So, yes, I think it matters when people put themselves under an umbrella, when by doing so they harm the community of people they claim to belong to.

With DC who are ND you are already very aware of the lack of tolerance out there. That's why it matters, and that's why it's important.

I also disagree re self-diagnosis. In every single ND group I'm in, self-diagnosis is embraced and accepted. I know many adults (women) who don't want to go through the stress of diagnosis but describe themselves as autistic.

I suspect the fact you're not diagnosed yourself but believe that you are ND means you're also quite sensitive to criticism of the term because it feels like a personal attack. I can't speak for anyone else, but my dislike of the word has nothing to do with excluding anyone who believes they are neurodivergent but aren't diagnosed.

None of this is about not allowing people in the "club". Due to the waiting times and the difficulties in accessing professionals, self-diagnosis is widely and almost universally accepted within the community.

But when autistic and neurodivergent people are having to work very, very hard to be treated fairly and to be taken seriously, perception really matters.

I've seen many, many people describe themselves as neurospicy even though they don't believe that they're "fully" autistic, ADHD, DCD, etc.

As I said earlier, it's akin to the awful, oft-repeated "everyone is a little bit autistic" mantra - which is so, so harmful to the ND community because it encourages people not to make reasonable adjustments or accommodations because well, they don't like noise either and that's just the same kind of thing, right?! If they can put up with it, then autistic people should do so too. And so on.

We obviously don't agree and that's fine. It's nothing to do with pissing on other people's yards. I only commented to describe to another poster the recent prevalence of the term, and why some autistic individuals are so opposed to its use. And also, crucially, I did defend your right to use the phrase if it's something that you like.

I didn't comment to ask you to stop using the word - I was providing an explanation to posters who haven't heard of the phrase before. I said earlier and I'll say it again, it's up to you what words you use to describe yourself.

A large chunk of the autistic community deeply dislike the "I have autism" phrase as opposed to "I'm autistic" - but there are still some that prefer the "have" terminology - so if people can't agree on that fairly simple descriptor, I don't imagine for a second that they'll be a universal agreement on "neurospicy" any time soon 😅

You're not going to change my mind any more than I'm going to change yours so we can agree to disagree on this.

Also, if it's any consolation I hate the word chillax even more than neurospicy 😅

Good luck with the situation with your SIL. Lots of good advice on here and sounds as if your DH has it all in hand when he visits next. Hope it works out in the end.

I understand what you've said and we obviously have different views and that is absolutely fine, but for full transparency whilst I'm not diagnosed with adhd (yet!) I have other diagnoses which fall under the ND umbrella so I still could use the term neurodiverse to describe myself.

OP posts:
Puffalicious · 03/04/2024 23:10

TheIcecreamManCometh · 03/04/2024 22:28

I'm not keen on "neurospicy" as my son isn't a nik-nak Wink

Joking aside, the issue with it for me is that I automatically think of a Nando's
spiceometer (extra mild/mild/medium/hot/extra hot) which is linear.
They might both be spicy but a korma is milder than a vindaloo. This brings to mind the arguments that used to ensue on here comparing (old terms) "Aspergers/HFA" with Kanners presentation.

Neurospicy also sounds non-scientific/made up*
However what people want to call themselves, whether it's Aspie, #ActuallyAutistic or None of your fecking business is absolutely up to them.

*Caveat: I am not Gen Z and do not use the Tik of Tok Grin. It just comes across as ND=quirky, when for so many it's bloody harder than "a touch of the tism" (allegedly what some are also using these days). Ignore me, I am officially Old.

I 100% agree. 👏

Spidersareshitheads also gave a great sum up of the other difficulties with the phrase.

AmericanUgly · 04/04/2024 21:28

You would absolutely be betraying your daughter if you agreed to this. She should be your priority, not your batshit, selfish SIL.

Lwrenn · 05/04/2024 15:12

Just a quick update for anyone who would like one.
Dp popped over yesterday after work with some information and bits and whilst there noticed a few issues with the child they suspect being nd.
DP realised pretty quickly that behaviour seemed to be coming more from passive parenting and he wasn't too happy. So what he observed was DN wasn't really given any attention unless it was being told off, a few other things like constant screen time but nothing else, no playing in the garden or any activities that aren't just "sit down and be quiet". He asked for a weeks worth of a food diary because dn told him he'd had maccies twice in one day and he was drinking coke, but this isn't a treat day, this is regular.
Dp said before he starts doling out advice on getting dn help to get a diagnosis he thinks maybe actually parenting him (as subtle as a kick to the bollocks he was by all accounts) would help.
He left furious, wrote out a list of activities for them to try and if no improvement in his behaviour he'll go around again, but he doesn't see any signs of dn being autistic, just bored and frustrated. Told bil that he was doing dn a disservice by trying to get him a label before trying to burn off his energy etc.
Quite harsh but after what we've been through with our son, I get it.
Something that did make me laugh through was bil said (defensively) but it did calm dp down a wee bit, "alright supernanny we can try that" 😂

Then dp because he was already pissed off said that next time he goes he's bringing all the kids with him so nephews can meet dd and if sil doesn't like it he won't be going up with the lads again and sil apparently backed down instantly, after bloody MONTHS of creating drama and just said it would be nice to meet the baby! Just totally backed down. I expected absolute fireworks but not even a spark!

Families are absolutely batshit aren't they. 🤣

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