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Me vs SiL - the most underwhelming of battles.

306 replies

Lwrenn · 03/04/2024 08:39

Backstory & buckle up, it's a long one!
More wwyd than aibu but I'm confused af with this. Anyhow.

Bil is pretty awesome and so are his gorgeous wee boys. Bil and I have always had a close friendship. He not only is a terrific uncle to his birth related nephews but also adores my oldest dc. Also a lad.
When he met sil I was so happy, she was everything he wanted, she adores him, he adores her, they went on to have 2 perfect wee boys. Our boys all adore one another.
But after her last lad (they only want 2 kids, they were blessed) she was upset she'd never have "her girl" and wasn't exactly quietly hurt about it, instead more outwardly furious. She went from being very sweet to disappointed with most things and with that became passive aggression with everything. We were close, neither of us talk to MiL due to her being a deranged lunatic towards us, so we had some solidarity. We also babysat as often as they wanted, from newborn age until toddler age before sils parents moved closer to be on hand, so we see the boys less now but her parents are lovely and involved and its nice for them all. Now, last year I had my final baby and all the way through she kept saying I'd have another boy, I agreed, having had 3 already I just presumed that also. But I didn't, I had a girl.
She hasn't spoken to me, blocked dp from fb and when bil came to see his niece and sent a selfie she went apeshit at him, saying he was rubbing in her face the one thing she'd never had.
I said to him when she comes round she's a niece who will adore her and she can hopefully have some relationship with when she's ready. I left it at that.
I'm possibly being insensitive but I've struggled with baby loss and awful pregnancies etc, she had 2 wonderful pregnancies, no issues with conceiving, both pregnancies first month off pill, I think she's had it pretty good so I'm not begging her to accept my daughter, she can do one, my wee girl has all the love in the world, sil isn't hugely relevant to my 8 month old.

Now, here is where a problem has risen, I'm a sen mum with 2 (likely 3 but 2 diagnosed asd kiddos) and her youngest is showing neurospicy signs.
Not only am I sen mum, but I've worked with sen so I'm a good person to give support and a handhold whilst going through the process of getting a diagnosis and also little suggestions to help with things, so she's asked bil can i talk to her and go through things with her from visual aids and prompts, how to use social stories and fill out paperwork for her dc. All of which I'm happy to do, i have tons of books and other things here that would be useful to her. Plus, I'm not mad at seeing her, like I say - we were quite close.
But here is the thing, it's on the provision I don't even mention my daughter as she couldn't cope with it.
I'm not to even say her name, if my phone screen has her picture I'm to change it before going over to help her.

Because this is to help DN, I'll probably do it. Plus sen mum is a scary water to navigate alone at first, I feel I should comply to her rules and not upset her, but also, I feel like I'm shunning my own DD.
Like I say, it's not like she's lost a baby or is trying with no luck for another, she just didn't get the "daughter she envisaged".

Wise ones of mumsnet, wwyd?

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mightymam · 03/04/2024 09:01

Stay away. She sounds deranged. Her poor boys.

Lwrenn · 03/04/2024 09:02

Thanks everyone for your replies.

Definitely an email I think, I'll send over all the stuff I've saved from my wee lad and all my autism books.

Bil is so soft he'd give a bruised banana a run for it's money.
And I'm not as soft, but I don't want to upset anyone struggling.

Her rigid thinking has been pointed out I have thought about, the way she only wants 2 kids (Definitely not 3) but also can't get over not having a particular sex of child.

But I can't just have my wee lass an outsider in her family because she had the audacity to be born with a gasps vagina!

I've given my sil more thought on her feelings as I have my dd which has been pointed out, so thank you for that perspective.

I fucking love my MN village, it always points out the glaringly obvious stuff I miss. Thank you all

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LunaNorth · 03/04/2024 09:02

Tell her to get fucked. I’ve no patience with this brand of bollocks.

Doing her own research will give her something to think about other than pink tights, or whatever she’s fixating on 🙄

LouOver · 03/04/2024 09:02

Let your DH handle this, she is being grossly unfair to you and as you put it stop being a wet wipe!

Phillipa12 · 03/04/2024 09:03

I would give bil the advice, only because I would want to help my nephew. I would not be talking to sil, she needs to get over her gender disappointment and do it quickly. I have 4 dc, 3 sons and 1 daughter, my daughter died when she was three, I don't ignore or refuse to acknowledge friends and families daughters that's just ridiculous and incredibly rude.

Boxerdor · 03/04/2024 09:04

She sounds like an absolute loon OP. Don’t indulge her. I’m concerned for how this may play out as your DD gets older- will she get ignored on her birthday etc? Jealously like this is madness

Lwrenn · 03/04/2024 09:05

Phillipa12 · 03/04/2024 09:03

I would give bil the advice, only because I would want to help my nephew. I would not be talking to sil, she needs to get over her gender disappointment and do it quickly. I have 4 dc, 3 sons and 1 daughter, my daughter died when she was three, I don't ignore or refuse to acknowledge friends and families daughters that's just ridiculous and incredibly rude.

I'm so sorry to read that, I hope my post hasn't upset you.
Sending you the squishiest of unmumsnetty hugs. Much love to you x

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Candleabra · 03/04/2024 09:05

The more you pander to this craziness the more she will think she is reasonable. Don’t do it. You can’t exclude your daughter from the wider family. I also wouldn’t be helping someone who behaved like that.

Nevermindtheteacaps · 03/04/2024 09:08

TeaKitten · 03/04/2024 08:46

Given that your BIL is also the kids parent - give the help to him directly.

This is an excellent suggestion as he should have equal ownership and responsibility for these tasks anyway.

Lwrenn · 03/04/2024 09:08

I'm actually annoyed at myself now, I didn't think into the future and I've just presumed sil would come around, but she won't, will she?
I'm actually furious with myself for being so blasé about this when my poor wee dd could be cast outside from her cousins and adoring uncle because sil wanted a mini me. Bloody hell, I'm cross!

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easilydistracted1 · 03/04/2024 09:09

I think you're being incredibly tolerant for someone that has struggled to have your children. She really needs to get some serious therapy. I would not be putting yourself in they situation it sounds awful and I think saying no to her would do her the world of good. There is the obvious solution of helping your brother in law and if she's going to sabotage that too by being controlling of who he can be around that's on her. I would find another way to share the information but that's it. Asking you to essentially deny your daughter is deeply unhealthy

Phillipa12 · 03/04/2024 09:11

Lwrenn · 03/04/2024 09:05

I'm so sorry to read that, I hope my post hasn't upset you.
Sending you the squishiest of unmumsnetty hugs. Much love to you x

No, you haven't upset me. I'm annoyed for you. Your sil, imo is being a monumentally dramatic twat and if she's not careful will eventually lose her family.

Mumoftwo1312 · 03/04/2024 09:12

Your daughter is a real life person. Her cousins need to grow up knowing that she matters just as much as her brothers.

You're doing your nephews a disservice to pander to this.

Cuppachuchu · 03/04/2024 09:15

She thinks you owe her the help because you had a daughter and she didn't. Almost like a penance. I wouldn't go along with it. Let her find help elsewhere.

Isthisjustnormal · 03/04/2024 09:16

Hummmm, just to be the voice of dissent a little. Obv SILs response is unhinged but I’d assume that as others have said she’s almost certainly ND herself and clearly having issues.

i wouldn’t be prepared to totally pander to her, but I would equally want to find a way to support my BIL and SIL and my nephews. think I’d maybe say I was happy to come over, and wouldn’t actively talk about my daughter but I wouldn’t deny her either - so no changing phone screens, if you ask what I’ve done today I’m not going to lie, but I’m happy FOR NOW to focus on your issues. I’d want BIL and SIL there to dilute SIL if needed. Poss with Dh.

id also use it as a way to open the door to further comms so: let’s not talk about this now but obv we need to find a way for us to move forward without denying the existence of own daughter. I’m parking that but we do need to find a way to deal with it. I don’t think you can know at this stage if SIL will come round naturally; if therapy is needed or if she’s ‘lost’ forever.

but maybe I’m a wet wipe too!

ChubbyMorticia · 03/04/2024 09:17

“I’m not going to pretend my daughter doesn’t exist, not for a nanosecond, not for anyone.”

BIL can get the information from you if he wants it.

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 03/04/2024 09:19

I almost think you should confront her with your baby in your arms and say This Is Your Niece and just put a complete stop to it. You might not want to but it's going to take decisive action.

Redlocks28 · 03/04/2024 09:21

I wouldn’t pander to this and I would tell them both that it simply wasn’t going to work. Send her a couple of useful websites and then get on with your life-I’m not sure I’d want her around my daughter anyway, tbh.

pimplebum · 03/04/2024 09:24

I can't believe this woman is for real !
I would send a firm but kind email saying that her demands are un healthy and un doable and when she has had therapy and is in a more reasonable frame of mind you will be here for her but will not deny the existence if your daughter now or at any point in future and if that means a " pause" in your relationship then so be it

She can find help and support elsewhere in my opinion
You are kind but she has been spectacularly hurtful and unhinged

Alwaysalwayscold · 03/04/2024 09:24

I wouldn't even entertain the idea. What next, excluding her from family events and only inviting her brothers?

I'd tell SIL to get fucked.

zurg123 · 03/04/2024 09:24

No way would I engage, as much as I'd want to help. She's the mother of her ds and if she wants to understand how go support him better she needs to get over herself.

Bloom15 · 03/04/2024 09:26

Not sure I would even help unless she gets over herself - trying to control everyone is ridiculous. Send her an email with a few signposts to websites and useful links then let them get on with it

ColleenDonaghy · 03/04/2024 09:28

Tell SIL you would love to help your nephew but you won't deny one of your DC to do so, and you're sure she wouldn't deny either of hers either.

In the meantime here's one useful website or group she may not be aware of.

Then tell BIL to grow up and help his wife get the help she needs. Letting her carry on like this is not an act of love.

Love51 · 03/04/2024 09:30

It is going to damage her relationship with her sons. If she can't see sense for them, I doubt she'll see sense for your daughter. It is a really sad situation to be in but you can really only protect your own kids. The rest is up to BIL.

RainStreakedWindows · 03/04/2024 09:32

Exactly as @ColleenDonaghy says.

All the children are going to lose out on family because of her. You cannot allow your boys to be a part of a family your daughter is denied. Your SIL needs help because this is going to cause her own children and husband to miss out.