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In-laws still serve me food they know I don't like

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spotlightq · 01/04/2024 08:06

Husband and I have been married for 7 years, together 9. I have been a vegetarian the entire time.

Every time we come here to eat, I'll be offered/given something containing meat. I have to then feel rude and say no thank you.

For example yesterday the peas were ready prepared with mint and bloody pancetta. My plate was dished up for me, so I ended up having to leave a load of food on my plate. It looks rude from my side, but I think it's rude of them.

How hard is it!

OP posts:
Katrinawaves · 04/04/2024 08:18

TwistTwoo · 04/04/2024 08:09

I should add she's a young adult, and she knows what she can and can't eat. He simply doesn't quite understand what foods are not allowable, and why. I can explain to him quite carefully, but it doesn't stick. He's an extremely intelligent man, but has some blank spots, as we all do.

I bet he’d be capable of understanding if he was the coeliac and was suffering the consequences of being glutened. What a colossal dick!

Cherrysoup · 04/04/2024 08:41

TwistTwoo · 04/04/2024 01:28

Some people genuinely don't understand. There is no spite or malice involved, simply a lack of knowledge. For example, OP's potatoes in goose fat - it may not have registered with them that the goose fat isn't suitable for vegetarians.

My DD has been a diagnosed coeliac for a number of years now. She is also sensitive to many vegetables. Despite this, my DH always offers her bread, biscuits, and foods she can't have as he's never really understood the mechanics of the problem. It isn't that he doesn't want to, he just doesn't remember.

That's just ridiculous. Your DH has 'blank spots' about what could potentially make his dd really sick? No way.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 04/04/2024 08:49

Some people genuinely don't understand. There is no spite or malice involved, simply a lack of knowledge. For example, OP's potatoes in goose fat - it may not have registered with them that the goose fat isn't suitable for vegetarians.

The clue is the word "goose"

CurlewKate · 04/04/2024 09:02

I do love that you have to be "fully immersed in vegetarian philosophy" to know that pancetta is meat. Or to buy something from the M&S range with "suitable for vegetarians" written on it in big friendly letters.....

phoenixrosehere · 04/04/2024 09:17

CurlewKate · 04/04/2024 09:02

I do love that you have to be "fully immersed in vegetarian philosophy" to know that pancetta is meat. Or to buy something from the M&S range with "suitable for vegetarians" written on it in big friendly letters.....

Right.

Pretty sure I was taught what a vegetable is and what meat is in primary school.

I didn’t know it was such a hardship to walk over to the vegetable area of a shop, pick up one of the numerous bags of veggies and veggie side dishes that are typically on offer, take it home, poke a few holes and microwave for 2-3 minutes.

Devonbabs · 04/04/2024 09:21

terrimom · 03/04/2024 21:05

To quote Old Person this just sums up the whole thing right here.
"And those who have particular "special needs" for eating - just bring your own food and join in."

The "problem" if you choose to call it that. It's drama more than a real problem and so easily resolved by any competent, non narcy adult wishing to accomodate themselves and their own eating agenda.

That's really all it comes down to isn't it? If someone chooses to not eat meat and knows that their family, friends, co-workers, aquaintances all choose meat and serve it in their own homes the super simple solution is for them (the one with the chosen eating issues/restraints/conditions-disordered eating) to bring what they want to eat and join the rest of the family at the table and enjoy food and company together. What not to do would be to turn it into a passive/aggressive battle at every meal and cry "poor me" "look at me" "I can't eat this poison" "accomodate me" and continue this for years and years and post on mumsnet for support from like minded drama inducers while still continuing their ginormous pity party world wide. Just bring some rice and beans and be happy that you have family that wants your company at the table. Don't lose sight of what is the important part of any shared meal. The food could be anything at all and, of course, everyone can choose to eat any food at all or not to eat any food at all. The important part is the socialization not the attention seeking drama about peas or ham.

Blimey - sounds like you would be hostess with the mostess.

Do you insist that your guest go and wash their hands, finish everything on their plate, eat in silence and ask to be excised after the meal.

Where people are your guests you do your utmost to make them comfortable including food they would like to eat.

Im guessing you don’t host much (or in any case many people more than once)

BarrelOfOtters · 04/04/2024 09:22

Anyone who serves a vegetarian goose fat cooked potatoes is, I'm sorry, either stupid or rude.

Devonbabs · 04/04/2024 09:25

terrimom · 03/04/2024 21:29

This! All of this! The need of the vegetarian to turn the whole meal, the whole conversation and the whole focus of the get together to them and their chosen dietary restrictions is just the epitome of narcissism. Just bring what you choose to eat or eat what is served at the gathering. Enjoy the company and look outside your vegetarian self for a hot second.

Or, why not have a common food and serve a vegetarian or vegan meal. Not catering in a manner which everyone can eat is really all about the non- vegetarian making it all about them and excluding the vegetarian.

ohmygolli · 04/04/2024 10:37

@TwistTwoo your husband has no excuse.. that’s VERY poor
I have coeliac relatives and we all ensure we are clued up on it.
as a father, he should no better. Doesn’t sound that intelligent to me.. sounds V lazy!

PinkDreamsMum · 04/04/2024 10:39

Someone said earlier that vegetarians are fussy eaters and no one should accommodate that. That’s not right. I’ve been a vegetarian for 37 years and my digestive system can no longer process meat. When I’ve accidentally eaten meat ( hidden in food - like bits of bacon , pancetta etc) it has caused me pain and bloating for a few days after.

what sort of host are they to invite someone for a meal and then give them something they can’t eat?

If I was regularly being invited to eat at a house where there was no effort to provide for my dietary requirements I would take a packed lunch and eat that if I became hungry. No way would I risk eating their food.

Lentilweaver · 04/04/2024 10:49

PinkDreamsMum · 04/04/2024 10:39

Someone said earlier that vegetarians are fussy eaters and no one should accommodate that. That’s not right. I’ve been a vegetarian for 37 years and my digestive system can no longer process meat. When I’ve accidentally eaten meat ( hidden in food - like bits of bacon , pancetta etc) it has caused me pain and bloating for a few days after.

what sort of host are they to invite someone for a meal and then give them something they can’t eat?

If I was regularly being invited to eat at a house where there was no effort to provide for my dietary requirements I would take a packed lunch and eat that if I became hungry. No way would I risk eating their food.

I have been a vegetarian since birth and I am now in my fifties. ( I am of Indian heritage and some of us are just brought up like this for generations) I have the same digestive system. I have attempted to eat chicken to make life easier, but I just can't seem to digest it very well. ( Not that I will die or anything but it's not pleasant).

Like some people can't eat lentils or beans, but I can all day long, because that is what I was weaned on.I eat every single vegetable from bitter gourds to kale, every single grain, dairy and eggs, so I do actually think I am not a fussy eater.

Saschka · 04/04/2024 10:51

PinkDreamsMum · 04/04/2024 10:39

Someone said earlier that vegetarians are fussy eaters and no one should accommodate that. That’s not right. I’ve been a vegetarian for 37 years and my digestive system can no longer process meat. When I’ve accidentally eaten meat ( hidden in food - like bits of bacon , pancetta etc) it has caused me pain and bloating for a few days after.

what sort of host are they to invite someone for a meal and then give them something they can’t eat?

If I was regularly being invited to eat at a house where there was no effort to provide for my dietary requirements I would take a packed lunch and eat that if I became hungry. No way would I risk eating their food.

That person also said people with allergies and religious restrictions were fussy eaters, so I think she can safely be ignored.

Blackcats7 · 04/04/2024 11:04

Some people take vegetarianism as a personal criticism and become either passive aggressive like these in laws or openly aggressive like some bizarre posters on this thread.
I have been vegetarian all my adult life so the past 38 years. I don’t try and preach my values and choices to friends or family as this would be rude. They in turn accommodate my not very complicated diet because this is polite.

ohmygolli · 04/04/2024 11:29

ohmygolli · 04/04/2024 10:37

@TwistTwoo your husband has no excuse.. that’s VERY poor
I have coeliac relatives and we all ensure we are clued up on it.
as a father, he should no better. Doesn’t sound that intelligent to me.. sounds V lazy!

*know better. Gosh that typos annoyed me 🤣

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 04/04/2024 12:47

OldPerson · 03/04/2024 18:59

And yet vegetarians consider themselves and demand to be special needs.

They can't join in - especially a familly gathering - without rearing their special needs.

Nope - every item that might pass their lips - exasperated sigh from host or special needs guest! Because it's not food to feed the get-together. The irritant vegetarian/vegan wants to launch into why the food is unsuitable.

The host provides food as a background for a social get-together - with the expectation that the social group socialises over a common bond.

But the vegetarian has not brought their own food. Instead of conversation, the vegetarian is stuck at gate one, whether they will or will not join in for social engagement.

Because the special needs eater is so absorbed in their own needs - they cannot see a bigger social picture and just join in.

Just freaking bring your own food - and if people like you, they will work with you to accommodate your special needs.

But they CAN join in, @OldPerson, if the host just takes the simple step of providing vegetarian food. Even the most committed meat eater can eat - AND ENJOY - a vegetarian meal from time to time. Only last night, dh and I had falafel wraps for our dinner - the only thing that stopped them being vegan was the tzaziki - and guess what - we didn't miss meat at all!

I am not a vegetarian, nor do I often cook vegetarian meals, but I could easily think of a number of meals that would either be completely vegetarian (but would not leave the omnivores feeling short-changed) or that would have some food suitable for vegetarians and omnivores, but with a different centrepiece for the vegetarians.

Surely, if you invite someone to eat at your house, it is because you like them - and if you like them, why wouldn't you want to feed them well?

Beenthroughit · 04/04/2024 14:42

Getting an extra tray of veggie suitable veggies while at M and S and something suitable for vegetarians, which M and S do sell would not entail any extra work and would be what a good host would do.
If I knew someone has particular dietary needs, whether they be ethical, religious or medical, or just they absolutely hate a certain food, I do my best to make sure that I accommodate their needs.

Pleiades2020 · 04/04/2024 15:15

This is a typical mumsnet thread about a vegetarian with a genuine issue. Doesn't take long to be derailed by stalwart anti vegetarian meat eaters. The OP seems to have gone awol, and a lot of the comments are sounding very similar to victim blaming.

I mean the in laws buy the roast potatoes from M&S they're hardly putting in much effort. How difficult is it to buy something else at the same time with a large green V symbol on it? You don't need an Oxford degree to read the packaging.

RampantIvy · 04/04/2024 15:44

Surely, if you invite someone to eat at your house, it is because you like them - and if you like them, why wouldn't you want to feed them well?

Exactly @SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius
I love hosting and making my guests feel welcome and comfortable.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 05/04/2024 14:22

@OldPerson

And yet vegetarians consider themselves and demand to be special needs. They can't join in - especially a familly gathering - without rearing their special needs.

The image that has been created of the life like and natural Vegetarian in this thread is Hilarious 😂😂😂Don't forget the all encompassing fear that The Vegetarian is only there because they want to convert everyone to give up meat.

My DH told his family that he was not going to eat Meat or Poultry anymore and all the reasons why THIRTY YEARS AGO. They all accepted it and its never been discussed in decades. I used to think my PILs, were difficult in some ways, but after this thread I'm not so sure. They simply had a stock of suitable for veg food in the freezer, put it on the table with everything else and we all carried on.

All our friends and people we eat with know this, and NONE of them have ever sneaked meat into a meal or insisted that every dish should contain meat.

I wouldn't put sugar in a diabetic's food for example. I've catered for friends who eat anything but also those that can't eat pork or shellfish, or are gluten or lactose intolerant, or are allergic to nuts. Nor has anyone ever insisted that I serve them meat as most people have varied diets.
It's mentioned once and everyone moves on. The OP's MIL is being very unreasonable.

Devonbabs · 05/04/2024 14:38

I do sometimes wonder why eating meat at every meal is so important to some. Up until very recently people could only afford meat very rarely! People would mainly be eating vegetarian meals (or really poor cheap cuts of meat).

what is it in someone’s psychology that makes them think their desire for meat trumps someone else’s need to not eat it. It’s utterly bizarre. Is it a status thing? A control thing? A guilt thing?

if anyone put meat dairy or eggs in my food I would be violently sick for days. I would treat it as an intent to harm and speak with the police. Do people honestly not know how dangerous it is? People who haven’t eaten meat for a long time can get very sick from eating it.

Picklesjar20 · 05/04/2024 14:50

I never understand these meal social situations..like if your served something you can't stand what are you meant to do? Is it really offensive to just say thank you and leave it?
Sorry this isn't relating directly to vegetarian and main issue OP posted. But im never sure how your meant to respond as there are always contrasting expectations illiciting such strong reactions. But if you can't eat it, you can't eat it?

As with the OP. Idk as my own mum has known me all my life and still serves brussel sprouts stating i love them...when i have never ever eaten one 😂😂 she also served peanut sauce when my DH is highly allergic to nuts 😂😂 nothing intentional we tell her all the time but it just doesn't click. So not sure its completely them being awkward and just not thinking? I guess you wont know till you chat with them :/

Devonbabs · 05/04/2024 15:14

And here it is again. Yet another works function - this time with nothing I can actually eat on the menu. Not even the plate of boiled rice I had at the last one!

Northernsouloldies · 05/04/2024 15:27

Cherrysoup · 04/04/2024 08:41

That's just ridiculous. Your DH has 'blank spots' about what could potentially make his dd really sick? No way.

That's just lazy and neglectful as a parent he should know what his daughter can and can't have.

Daffodilsarentfluffy · 05/04/2024 15:37

When I became a vegetarian at 15 my dgm joined me. Her suggestion..
If my mil had cooked me a Special Vegi option eating it would still have been an endurance test. Egg and chips was my regular meal there. And I had to wash the pan and fry my own egg.
At 15 so in 1986 I ate at a pub one lunchtime with bf's dps... . The chef actually popped his head round the door and commented they had never served a vegetarian before.. I got a salad with a whole block of grated cheese on top!!
I imagine if i had been vegan it would have been a straight salad!

RampantIvy · 05/04/2024 15:40

Devonbabs · 05/04/2024 15:14

And here it is again. Yet another works function - this time with nothing I can actually eat on the menu. Not even the plate of boiled rice I had at the last one!

Is it an option not to go?
Did you request something you could eat?