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In-laws still serve me food they know I don't like

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spotlightq · 01/04/2024 08:06

Husband and I have been married for 7 years, together 9. I have been a vegetarian the entire time.

Every time we come here to eat, I'll be offered/given something containing meat. I have to then feel rude and say no thank you.

For example yesterday the peas were ready prepared with mint and bloody pancetta. My plate was dished up for me, so I ended up having to leave a load of food on my plate. It looks rude from my side, but I think it's rude of them.

How hard is it!

OP posts:
IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 03/04/2024 09:00

Calliopespa · 03/04/2024 08:58

Personally I am happy to respect a person’s choice of being vegetarian and I don’t find vegetarian food difficult to prepare ( vegan, if I’m honest, starts to feel restrictive if cooking for more than the vegan guest). At the very least, a couple of filling vegetarian sides are simple to include. We tend to eat quite a few meat free meals anyway.

HOWEVER what always strikes me in these conversations is the respect seems to have to cut one way. As many have observed, older generations didn’t have much time for this and I’m not sure the derogatory comments about that position are any less bad. We are all a product of our own eras. If we want older generations to accept we can feel justified about excluding foods, I think it’s also important to have the flexibility to realise other generations have been influenced by other factors, (especially via their parents) on the impact of rationing and meat being a luxury item. My grandparents would talk about “ a beautiful leg of lamb” and were hurt and baffled when a guest once turned it down .

Respect involves flexibility of attitudes not just in one direction ( aka the direction you agree with). There are too many comments on here labelling people as passive aggressive etc, or thick because they have eaten gelatine without concern as to its precise origin. Knowing facts doesn’t make you intelligent: it’s an ability to extrapolate logic, connect conceptual patterns and to reason that betokens intelligence. And it’s refraining from ridiculing other people for their attitudes and beliefs that are more often than not a product of their era and background that is the marker of respect.

What "older generations" are you referring to?

Saschka · 03/04/2024 09:01

sueelleker · 03/04/2024 08:51

Hear, hear! And during the last war, people were semi-vegetarian anyway, as meat was hard to get; and severely rationed. "Dig for victory" anyone?.

Nonsense, all true Brits eat roast beef and nothing else, three times a day, come hell or high water. We didn’t win the Battle of Stalingrad by eating potatoes. Perhaps you are one of those Scottish types?

Calliopespa · 03/04/2024 09:01

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 03/04/2024 09:00

What "older generations" are you referring to?

My parents age for instance.

Bouledeneige · 03/04/2024 09:03

I think it's incredibly rude of your in laws and must be deliberate. My daughter has been vegetarian since she was 14 - so for nine years - and I've always respected that. It's just not that hard. We offer to take food for her if it's a problem when going to other people's houses - say for Sunday lunch.

I think you should either not go or insist on bringing your own lunch.

Calliopespa · 03/04/2024 09:04

FeetLikeFlippers · 03/04/2024 00:14

I’m really sorry if you thought I was making fun of you, that wasn’t my intention. Of course it was a typo but I was amused at the idea of somebody feeling herself up at the in-laws’ dinner table! I often type stuff like that because of auto-correct or sausage fingers or not having my reading glasses and I love it when it accidentally turns into something I find funny. I assumed you would see the funny side too, otherwise I would never have commented.

Edited

I thought it was funny - and understand the drive to lighten up a thread becoming very rude and aggressive.

MarvellousMonsters · 03/04/2024 09:14

@IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle

"Honestly give me strength. Being vegetarian or vegan is, for the vast majority of people who choose to be so, a philosophical choice because they care about animal welfare.

I'm not vegetarian but I don't eat a number of animal products for animal welfare reasons. I don't eat pork for example. If someone served me roast pork I would eat the vegetables and potatoes. I couldn't force it down as, for no other reason, I really dislike the taste. At a Hogmanay dinner last year roast pork was on offer. The cook didn't know I didn't eat it but because he's not a complete dick (a) he'd prepared a selection of dishes and (b) he wasn't in the least bit bothered as I ate his lovely, non meat dishes.

It's really, really, really not difficult to cook a meal which doesn't contain meat."

The HUGE difference here is that you can remove the meat from your plate and eat the non-meat foods. If someone serves me food with gluten I can't pick the gluten containing foods off the plate because the cross contamination would make me sick for about 10 days. Somehow I feel that me shitting lava and having the resulting gut damage that can take up to 12 weeks to heal is slightly worse than the hurt feelings of a veggie/vegan.

LuckySantangelo35 · 03/04/2024 09:18

There are such shocking attitudes towards veganism and vegetarianism on mumsnet

I mean you get people thinking FOIS GRAS is ok!! 🤯

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 03/04/2024 09:18

Calliopespa · 03/04/2024 09:01

My parents age for instance.

Which is what?

Kalevala · 03/04/2024 09:20

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 03/04/2024 09:18

Which is what?

'Parents age' could be 40 or 90!

Jack80 · 03/04/2024 09:44

I'm vegetarian and I would bring my own meal

Tessisme · 03/04/2024 09:58

LuckySantangelo35 · 03/04/2024 09:18

There are such shocking attitudes towards veganism and vegetarianism on mumsnet

I mean you get people thinking FOIS GRAS is ok!! 🤯

You are right about the attitudes. I find it in real life too if I'm honest. I was vegetarian for years and the number of people who thought I should have, for example, a tuna sandwich was unbelievable. As if fish aren't sentient creatures! A lot of folk consider it faddy and inconvenient, especially when you find yourself in the position of not being able to eat anything on a menu. Or there is one option and - shock horror - you don't like it. You are given the eye roll while everyone else goes 'oh what shall I have from this amazing meaty selection?'😆 if we have vegetarian or vegan guests, I cook something vegetarian/vegan for them and sling a bit of meat on the plate for anyone who can't live without it for one sodding meal, rather than the other way round. But then I was vegetarian when I was getting to grips with cooking, so it's not a big deal to me.

Calliopespa · 03/04/2024 10:31

Kalevala · 03/04/2024 09:20

'Parents age' could be 40 or 90!

My parents are in between

Delatron · 03/04/2024 10:38

I’m sure they are doing it on purpose and it’s very rude. You shouldn’t need to remind them but what do you say when then serve you meat?

If you politely push it aside and say nothing then maybe they need constantly reminding? ‘Oh no the peas have pancetta, I’m vegetarian as you know, do you have any vegetables without meat that I can eat?’

Then DH gets involved so
In-laws ‘would you like to come over for lunch’
DH ‘that would be lovely, just a reminder OP is vegetarian - she wasn’t able to eat much last time - shall she bring her own food or will you do some veggie food?’

No you shouldn’t have to. But clearly they need pulling up on it.

pinkyredrose · 03/04/2024 10:44

ChedderGorgeous · 02/04/2024 22:19

Vegetarianism is whatever the person wants it to to be and for whatever reason. It's not for others to push their own reasons for not eating meat onto others. I know a few people who are broadly vegan. Do they lapse sometimes ? Yes. Are they still vegan ? Yes.

No they're not still vegan, they're omnivores who usually eat vegan food.

RampantIvy · 03/04/2024 10:46

Just how old are your oarents @Calliopespa?

pinkyredrose · 03/04/2024 11:01

OldPerson · 02/04/2024 23:59

And the battle can continue.

I'm an Oxford grad, so always happy to debate.

Why is a Vegetarian who is so principled, not coming across as a pain-in-the-ass to mere mortals who have to plan, prepare and cook a meal for a big influx of family guests?

Did the vegetarian not realise in terms of evolution, their brains only grew by hunting other meat food groups? The intelligence needed for hunting is the sole reason you're not on the level of a rabbit or a cow. And they are intelligent - enough - for their level.

Darwin? Survival of the fittest? If humans as vegetarians ruled the world since year dot, humans would not be humans. Suck that up in your non-meat supremacy.

But we're talking about a rarefied group of humans, called vegetarians, mostly who have the luxury to choose and decide what will pass their rarified lips.

How far would you take it? World War III - and world in flames - still going to be a vegetarian?

The problem we all have with "special eaters" is that they don't eat for nutrients.

There are three groups of "special eaters" - and two of them are potential/somewhat/occasional ego-maniacs or narcissists or deluded or idealists.

They have no concept of human evolvement. They want to re-write human as non-animal, but idealistic. The middle ages were great on that.

Your "choose what you eat" - specifically vegetarians and vegans. Most of them can't explain why we're mostly omnivores. Or how we evolved? Or will evolve?

The religious folk. Apparently, if you get a food group wrong, they're insulted and violence is not excluded.

And the allergy group - you know the really scary ones. If the wrong food touches their lips, they die.

Any guesses, any time soon, why "special needs" eaters are a pain in the ass?

We don't want to deal with all your complexities. We just want to be British, family-orientated and serve up a group meal.

The whole social point of a meal - we all eat, we're all happiest eating and satiating needs and desires, and we're all socialising.

Except those that can't just join in the eating and socialising. The one's on their soap boxes against those who were just eating and socialising.

And those who have particular "special needs" for eating - just bring your own food and join in.

You really do talk utter nonsense.

Calliopespa · 03/04/2024 11:22

RampantIvy · 03/04/2024 10:46

Just how old are your oarents @Calliopespa?

Old enough to be respected! Are you suggesting age is relevant to being deserving of respect?!

They are a lot younger than 90.

LuckySantangelo35 · 03/04/2024 11:46

@OldPerson

none of us should be eating meat, it’s cruel

so vegetarians are superior

Tessisme · 03/04/2024 11:47

I'm an Oxford grad, so always happy to debate.

That's more of a rant. A diatribe. A lecture at a pinch @OldPerson.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 03/04/2024 12:57

Calliopespa · 03/04/2024 10:31

My parents are in between

So 60ish to 70ish?

I'll be 65 in a month's time. I'm sick of rude, ignorant and bigoted behaviour being passed off on MN as "oh it's generational/ just older people"

It's patronising for starters as it assumes anyone born before the date a poster thinks of as "old" is incapable of learning or keeping up.

It also ignores these "older people" if born after say 1960 lived through huge societal changes anyway. Whatever it is they're supposed to be too old enough to know about is probably well within their experience.

RampantIvy · 03/04/2024 13:01

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 03/04/2024 12:57

So 60ish to 70ish?

I'll be 65 in a month's time. I'm sick of rude, ignorant and bigoted behaviour being passed off on MN as "oh it's generational/ just older people"

It's patronising for starters as it assumes anyone born before the date a poster thinks of as "old" is incapable of learning or keeping up.

It also ignores these "older people" if born after say 1960 lived through huge societal changes anyway. Whatever it is they're supposed to be too old enough to know about is probably well within their experience.

👏👏👏

I'm 65, and have been cooking for vegetarian friends since my twenties.

If someone my age felt that they couldn't think of a vegetarian meal to cook (or didn't know what gelatine was made from) I would judge them harshly feel embarrassed for them.

I made vegan cakes for a wedding recently. I cater for all the guests with dietary requirements at fund raisers. It isn't difficult. Just google anything you are unsure about.

I didn't go to Oxford BTW Grin

Warmwoolytights · 03/04/2024 13:09

People in their 60s were in their 20s in the 1980s. Vegetarians were not uncommon then. This isn’t a new thing.

Fraaahnces · 03/04/2024 13:17

I have coeliac disease… I have aunts and cousins with coeliac disease. I know it’s not an allergy but an autoimmune condition, but it was easier to explain it to my grandmother as an allergy. (Tbh, given her gut issues, it’s entirely likely SHE had it too, but that’s a whole different ball game.) My so. Has anaphylaxis to nuts and kiwi, I have cousins who have anaphylaxis to other fruit, some nuts, seeds, etc, I also have anaphylaxis to a few food items. My grandmother who was a woman of her time, couldn’t wrap her head around it. “In our day, we didn’t have time for this allergy rubbish. You ate what you were given or you starved.” She was right, but they also had kids dying all of a sudden for no known reason and other kids with “Failure to Thrive”, amongst other horrible deaths.

You can’t change people’s reactions, but you can change yours. In fact it is your responsibility to change your reaction or nothing will ever change at all. If this means letting them know you’ve had it and that you think they’re rude and ignorant, so be it. If you make it a quiet protest by bringing pre-prepared food, that’s okay too. It will change it up.

Foostit · 03/04/2024 13:46

@Dewdilly
Your title is misleading. I was ready to come on and say you’re an adult, so eat what you are given and don’t be fussy.

You seriously think people should be forced to eat things they don’t like? 🙄

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 03/04/2024 14:25

MarvellousMonsters · 03/04/2024 09:14

@IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle

"Honestly give me strength. Being vegetarian or vegan is, for the vast majority of people who choose to be so, a philosophical choice because they care about animal welfare.

I'm not vegetarian but I don't eat a number of animal products for animal welfare reasons. I don't eat pork for example. If someone served me roast pork I would eat the vegetables and potatoes. I couldn't force it down as, for no other reason, I really dislike the taste. At a Hogmanay dinner last year roast pork was on offer. The cook didn't know I didn't eat it but because he's not a complete dick (a) he'd prepared a selection of dishes and (b) he wasn't in the least bit bothered as I ate his lovely, non meat dishes.

It's really, really, really not difficult to cook a meal which doesn't contain meat."

The HUGE difference here is that you can remove the meat from your plate and eat the non-meat foods. If someone serves me food with gluten I can't pick the gluten containing foods off the plate because the cross contamination would make me sick for about 10 days. Somehow I feel that me shitting lava and having the resulting gut damage that can take up to 12 weeks to heal is slightly worse than the hurt feelings of a veggie/vegan.

Why does it need to be a competition? Surely a good host wants to make their guests comfortable. “If it’s not an allergy, I’m not interested” is a pretty dismissive and unpleasant attitude.