Botox, frozen faces and big lips

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Will this trend ever end, does anyone think?
I don’t judge anyone getting surgery etc, heaven knows I need help with my lines…but the same as everyone else look is pretty weird.
Have just seen some videos from the 80’s & 90’s and just the variation in the way actors etc looked is incredible, so natural and beautiful

Also hoping all this ends by the time my Dd is a teen. I was a teen in the 90’s, yes we wore make up and cared how we looked, but nothing like these days

I'm from the South of the UK, and I have noticed that the further North I go, the more prevalent the fake looks is. Especially if I go to the more deprived urban areas. In the States they call this phenomenon 'ghetto cadilac' where the poorer the area, the more people will want to show off their wealth in the form of high-end goods (fast car, expensive trainers/hand bag), and also the high-maintenance look of plastic surgery, hair extensions and injectables. Having a complicated makeup routine and huge nails also shows off how much leisure time you have and do no manual work. The look has unfortunately become mainstream though, with younger and younger girls following the trend.

It is thank you - and yes it does make me feel better. Even snippy passive aggressive comments online can’t ruin what I enjoy, but I guess God loves a trier

@QueenMegan Big lips are hilarious. A vagina on your face must surely go out of fashion

Hilarious comment. I bet you wouldn’t dare say that to someone’s face who has lip filler would you? 😘

It might say more about you vagina* than their lips?

*I think we're actually talking about vulvas here, but whatevs

So why contribute to the issue by making fun of women who may already be insecure? That’s not the answer it just compounds the problem and is reducing a whole person to just their appearance. We should teach our daughters to support other women and respect their choices even if they may not agree with them, because there may be reasons behind those choices that we don’t understand.

Personally I blame filters - all the impossibly perfect images we see everyday have skewed the way we see ourselves and also our understanding of what aging looks like in the real world. I read something the other day that young girls who are heavy social media users are withdrawing from the real world and developing depressive disorders because in real life they cannot look the way they do online. It about broke my heart.

I don’t think it’s a case of girls walking around telling their teachers or whichever adult that they look grotesque or like a man. They can “respect their choices” outwardly, sure. But they will titter amongst themselves. Of course it becomes a problem if there’s any social media involved as that can turn into bullying. I know not everything is done for show or display. Eg the arse bleaching and lasering.

I agree that the filters on photos may have contributed to the trend. Or the duck lips pout to start with. Then you didn’t need to pucker up anymore, you could have the permanent look like that.

I think what gets me still, is that so much of it is done for the male gaze. Why else do women give a shit about looking younger? What does it matter?
Women who say 'but it's helps my self esteem' well OK, but what is it that's made you feel that way in the first place?

I was told I was ugly my whole childhood by the twats in school. So I just accepted it. I look back at photos and think, wtf? I was just normal. As a teen, I didn't wear makeup to look attractive, because i had already been told that that wouldn't actually help. I went metal and wore it for dramatic effect. However, I most definitely dressed for the male gaze, even if I told myself I just wanted to look good. But looking good meant wearing the shortest skirts and clingiest dresses. So who told me that was a good look?

We always want to look younger. And what that basically amounts to is sexually attractive. And why is that?

It does seem that way @Caterguin
and yet dozens of women on here say they do it for themselves. And who are others to argue?

But generally I'd say the male gaze has a lot to answer for.

It’s not for the male gaze. I’ve had a little bit of Botox and my (male) partner was very strongly against me getting any.

I am very low maintenance otherwise. I don’t even get my hair done at a hairdressers! I do get my nails done; but only because it stops my compulsive skin picking. I don’t tan, I barely even wear makeup, etc.

Thwre are a significant amount of people who get work done but don’t look like they get work done. It’s only when it goes too far that you can really tell!

Generally I'd agree that we do things to look attractive, but not always, sometimes we want to shock or stand out, or just simply show a bit of individuality.

I've got naturally long, strawberry blonde hair, for example. People always comment on it, would I chop it off? Hell no, I like getting complemented! But then on the other hand I really like sports and fitness, I've got quite big muscles in my arms and legs, I often get compared to a bloke (not in a nice way), but I'd never change it, it's what makes me unique. Some people might look at me and think "yuk!", but I'm not doing it for them, or anyone other than myself.

I can imagine that many people know that their look is not everyone's cup of tea, but they like it, so who cares? I kind of respect that (as long as they're not doing themselves harm that they will regret).

All big lips? Because mine are natural because of my ancestry.. so pretty offensive

I would definitely have considered botox. Absolute no to fillers.
My only problem with it though is that every single person I have seen with it, has a greasy sheen to their skin. I can spot it a mile off.
I dont believe how rich you are or who does it makes a difference. Celebrity's, normals, people I know - it doesnt matter. They all have a greasy forehead and it annoys me cos I would love to have some done!

I am mixed black and white and I don't take offense at the 'vagina lips' type comments, as it is fairly clear that they are aimed at fake lips, not real ones. I have amazing full lips which I love, they look absolutely nothing like the monstrosities that I see on some chavs. My favourite was a woman I saw with Louis Vuitton shoes, which I'm pretty sure were real, and lips that were half the size of her face. She clearly thought she looked the absolute bees knees, she looked common as muck.

glass skin is in now, so even people who don’t have Botox are going for this look.

I always use oils because I like the glossy look, but tbh it wears off really quickly after the Botox anyway! As in, within a week or so the shine goes. Annoying.

I thought about this thread today as I was walking around my local supermarket. It felt really sad to see all these young women with blown up lips, caterpillar eyebrows, fake tans.

It made me think what would my Grandmother have thought. They all look so odd and I don’t know why they think it looks so good.

I mean...when my gran was my age (mid 40s) she looked about 70-ish. That was pretty much what middle aged looked like in the 70s/80s. So I'm not sure I'd put a lot of store by what my gran might think really.

My Gran had the most amazing skin, Nivea and a healthy diet! Plus she moved a lot, barely sat still. Did yoga every morning (we are of Indian heritage) Ate mainly vegetarian food, never drank or smoked. I do think having seven kids took its mental toll on her. She was always busy.

Oh same @LampShadeTaj but in terms of fashion it was very much, you reach a certain age and wear a lot of brown, stick on a rain mate, get a sensible short haircut, and that's that.

My SDIL suffers from PCOS and consequently battles with her weight and facial hair. Unfortunately, she's also a younger dead ringer for Pam Ferris in her role as Miss Trunchbull, wearing her hair in exactly the same style. Recently, she's dyed her hair a shade of maroon and had Botox treatment on her lips, which accentuates the hair on her upper lip and looks awful. She's a lovely person, though, and I'd never make any comment to her about her appearance, but I do wonder - just why?

https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/news/a44434/miss-trunchbull-now/

What would these lovely tong women think of your grandmother with her saggy tits and wrinkled face?

Why is it okay to judge someone for looking young but not looking old?

What kind of Botox accentuated facial hair?

I presume she means fillers. They can give a shelf above the lip.

@Notmyuser it's it entirely different to feel repulsed by the natural aging process, and changing features about which a person can do nothing, and something a person has done to themselves. Think about tattoos; they are commonly commented on it negative ways. Botox/fillers aren't really any different.

Repulsion of wrinkles and saggy tits is entirely different. That's just what happens to us to differing degrees.

I hate it that we as a society appear repulsed by aging. It others the elderly. Particularly elderly women.