Botox, frozen faces and big lips

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Will this trend ever end, does anyone think?
I don’t judge anyone getting surgery etc, heaven knows I need help with my lines…but the same as everyone else look is pretty weird.
Have just seen some videos from the 80’s & 90’s and just the variation in the way actors etc looked is incredible, so natural and beautiful

Also hoping all this ends by the time my Dd is a teen. I was a teen in the 90’s, yes we wore make up and cared how we looked, but nothing like these days

You don't but I don't care what men do. I vividly remember being something like 11 and dabbling with makeup with a friend and hating the way my lips were in comparison to hers. This was the 90s and I had a pretty sheltered upbringing so my feelings were very much my own.

I can now change something that's bothered me forever so why wouldn't I have 🤷‍♀️

I have 1ml of filler in my lips, Botox and lash extensions and I do it because I feel better not to fit in with so called fashion! I really don't think what anyone does to their appearance is any one else's business! I have a credited advanced nurse practitioner do mine and I don't look false. Ps I'm over 40 so definitely not trying to keep up with the Jones's

11/12 is the point that girls first start to objectify themselves, compare themselves to feminine ideals, and internalise misogyny.

Can you imagine being yourself and not hating your lips? Not thinking they need changing?

I think it’s the Instagram effect. The Botox/filler squinty eyed face looks good on selfies, angled and posed in just the right way these ladies can look stunning. However in real life it doesn’t translate well at all. Seeing some of these people in 3D the way their face moves and looks from all angles..it can look quite freakish. These woman have no idea how they really look as they just see a one dimensional still and flat version of themselves in the mirror or on the camera.

I think it's kind of interesting that people don't see the connection between media portrayal and plastic surgery.

Women are getting their lips plumped up because we are told that is more attractive.

It feels disingenuous to pretend otherwise. It's not a coincidence that suddenly everyone is having the same procedure.

Same with the popularity of Botox. We see the sociological effects of media. Aging is bad, youth is king.

In the 90's black women were often mocked for thier lips and behinds. Suddenly with the Kardashian's Brazilian butt lifts are a common procedure. Lip filler is common.

This is not happening in a vacuum. It reminds me of the Devil Wears Prada speech where Miranda explains that Andy is just as much a part of fashion culture as everyone else.

I literally have no interest in social media nor what anyone else looks like!

It looks ridiculous and it’s depressing, like women (and some men) have even replaced by zombies. The celebrities look equally as shit. I agree with what you’re saying 100% - when you look at old videos of famous people in the 90s everyone looked so much better for not having frozen faces and apple cheeks. And it’s a vicious cycle as everyone competes with everyone and keeps getting more and more. I don’t think it looks good on photos either - it’s like a blow up doll on instagram and I immediately won’t buy a product if some filler faced, duck lip is pushing it.

I'm old. I have Botox in my forehead. It's pretty subtle but has evened out my eyebrows and I feel great with it. I've no interest in getting anything else. Can't bear the lips with filler and particularly don't like the tattooed eyebrows. I would imagine that the trend for the eyebrows will end soon and women will left with big caterpillars for some years to come

It does hurt but I suppose much of what we subject ourselves in the name of vanity ranges from mild discomfort to shear agony, I’m thinking plucking eyebrows, through waxing to tummy tuck or breast augmentation or lift. I have had Botox, regularly used to have waxing, had a c section, thyroidectomy and most recently a therapeutic mammoplasty to cosmetically tidy up my boob while undergoing a lumpectomy. They all bloody hurt and most were done out of necessity rather than vanity.
Why do women feel the need to undergo painful procedures to “improve” their appearance.

Not your face, why do you care?

Well tattooed eyebrows aren't noticeable as tattooed. I've had mine done and they look incredibly natural and saves me from filling them in every morning because they were so pale

Yes ! The pound shop biracials with the lips and dark tan have been around a while and unfortunately there is no end in sight.

With Botox I think it’s more of the toupee fallacy, where we can only tell when it’s a bad one. Therefore, we might think all toupees (or in this case Botox) looks bad.

I think it looks awful or hilarious and is a source of amusement or shock for me and DH when we go out. You missed the fake tan, fake eyebrows, fake nails, fake eyelashes, BBLs and more. Where does the money come from it all adds up?? Does the COL not affect them. Roll on the next craze please…… how is duck puffy faces with scary eyebrows attractive I just don’t get it.

In real life, botox/ lip filler / cheek filler just looks strange to me. These people don't look younger imo- just the same age but weird!

Completely agree. I think as humans we have evolved to be pretty good at judging others ages, to some extent subconsciously.

And I don’t think people who have these treatments fool people into thinking they look younger. They just look like a 45 year old (or whatever) who has chosen to spend a fair amount of money on a cosmetic procedure.

I think most people with those huge lips look hideous, and who wants a frozen face?

A source of amusement? You sound lovely.

I see the eyelashes mainly. Just huge eyelashes everywhere.

Meryl Streep. Look no further.

Thing is though, how does the rest of the body fare? My hands and neck would be a dead giveaway- especially if bits look different.

And general body- I'm slim and toned, but gravity and loss of oestrogen are doing quite horrible things to the skin. My thighs are fairly muscular, so no wobble. But grab the skin and it crepes. My hands are increasingly resembling my grandmother's, although I don't really notice until I put them next to my daughter's.

Why are we conditioned to hate women's bodies as they age? I know know youth connotes fertility, but does age connote 'none of your bullshit, twinkle testicles', so men need us to hate our bodies, so that they can dismiss us more easily.

Thing is though it's not older people who do this to themselves to look younger, it's younger people wanting to fit in by making themselves all look the same. I don't mind saying I think it's gross, and ugly and I don't care that I'll be judged for being judgmental.

In terms of the people who do this to themselves, I'm not bothered by them. I just think they're not my tribe, in the same way that people who wear high heels and go to Wetherspoons aren't my tribe. It's the plastic surgeons and beauticians who profit from carrying out surgical procedures to "enhance" people's looks that I find abhorrent, and I think they should all retrain and get proper jobs that lift people up rather than prey on people's insecurities.

There, I've said it. 🫣

@Caterguin you have a point about hatred of women's aging bodies.
From the witches of folklore and trials to today's delightful Daily Mail articles.
Time to lean away from all of that I think!

Yea I don't get it either.
I also don't understand the craze of wearing sports leggings so tight you can literally see the shape of their anus.

Chances are he still wouldn't say no though.

I think it's now ingrained in young girls that they need to alter their faces. Duck billed platypus lips. Eyelashes they could trip over, thick khaki coloured makeup. They look like they could do with a good wash. Whatever happened to natural beauty.

LOL no he thinks it looks ugly, you def don’t know my DH.