Botox, frozen faces and big lips

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Will this trend ever end, does anyone think?
I don’t judge anyone getting surgery etc, heaven knows I need help with my lines…but the same as everyone else look is pretty weird.
Have just seen some videos from the 80’s & 90’s and just the variation in the way actors etc looked is incredible, so natural and beautiful

Also hoping all this ends by the time my Dd is a teen. I was a teen in the 90’s, yes we wore make up and cared how we looked, but nothing like these days

Yehhhh my cousin got the huge enormous lips done, and the Botox and the eyelash extensions or whatever they’re called - and honestly, I do not even recognize her.
my other cousin’s daughter got all that stuff done, plus a huge extra-sized boob job. In her early 20’s.

it makes me sad because their faces both look nothing like their faces (naturally pretty) used to look, and now they look so much alike. Their faces look tortured into these grotesque shapes.

I don’t care who comes at me- go ahead - I’m still going to feel this is grotesque.

walk down the street in Los Angeles and you’ll see a hundred of these faces.

my cousin can’t even smile any more, her lips are so hugely puffed up.

and I know. It’s not my face, blah blah.. it’s still gross to me.

I work with loads of young people in their early 20s and most of the women among them have plumped up lips and false eyelashes.

I have just turned 50 and hated the way my lips had gone thin and some lines had started to form - so I got 1ml of lip filler. My lips look much better/healthier and I feel much more confident. Maybe the “trend” isn’t so much a trend but speaks volumes about society and the expectations of the way we look at any age - mainly due to social media. And men.

It’s lovely you are comfortable in your skin but there are enough people in the world judging women on their appearance and contributing to our insecurities without women turning on each other and joining in. A little kindness goes a long way and maybe in the future our daughters will all be as comfortable in their skin as you are lucky enough to be.

@Cyb3rg4l But this is the point; it's very hard for young girls to be comfortable in their own skin when the signals are so confused. Changed faces signal that the faces we were born with aren't good enough.

I get that @faffadoodledo but I'm not sacrificing my wrinkle-free face to save the next generation 😁 They can work it out for themselves.

I totally agree, it looks horrendous.

I think what saddens me is how ubiquitous it is in the media. Almost no famous women / Tv personalities can actually move their faces properly or show emotion effectively. This is what makes us fundamentally human and able to show our babies and children different emotions and display feelings from the nuances in facial movement.

We, especially women are surrounded by SO much of this that it takes a lot of self esteem and confidence to avoid hating age and ageing. We live in such an ageist society and combining that with the internalised misogyny most of us don’t even realise we feel, it’s almost impossible to avoid being part of the problem
on some level.

Imagine a world where we didn’t give a shit about ‘enhancing’ and tweaking our faces and bodies. For what really? Men? Other women? Acceptance? Unless you’re walking around with a mirror perm attached in front of your face then of course you’re doing these things for others. Why else would you care?

If you knew you wouldn’t see anyone for a year - would you both with any of this shit?

Imagine a world where we didn’t give a shit about ‘enhancing’ and tweaking our faces and bodies
I focus on health
Actually the realisation that we are the only ones who really care is a bit of a game changer.
Do you walk down the street critiquing other people-no
If you do then you need to see a therapist not get face injections.

I mostly agree with the sentiments to
be honest. Although I do think we walk down the street critiquing others, but I think that is borne out of how women are pitted against each other
in general. I have definitely myself doing it in the past, especially when I was in my teens / 20’s and then as I matured I
started to realise just how toxic it is/was.

It feels like we’re being manipulated into worshipping at the alter of youth until we die now.

I was at a major UK airport last week and the sheer number of botox and filler on show was thoroughly depressing.

It’s not about whether you can ‘tell’, it’s about the sheer lack of facial expressions and an almost bizarre alien-like look.
The fact is, so many women are injecting poison into their faces, over and over and over and spending a fortune to do so to mainly avoid aging, because being seen as old is extremely devalued and worthless.

Why is wisdom and experience worthless?

IMO fillers coarsen your appearance, you look blokier, manlier. I hope the trend dies out.

Women just can’t win.

We’re either too fat or too thin. Put on a few pounds “you’re lazy and unhealthy”. Lose a few pounds “you look gaunt. You were better before”. Low esteem we’re told to “love yourself” and “be confident”. But then when we are confident we’re told we’re “arrogant” or “she loves herself”. Wear fake tan “oh she’s so orange” “she looks like an Oompa Loompa”. Doesn’t wear tan “She’s so ghastly pale” “she looks ill”. Wears makeup to work “oh it’s too OTT” “she’s trying to flirt with the clients and the boss”. Doesn’t wear makeup to work “it’s unprofessional and lazy to not take pride”.

Get fillers and Botox we’re called “duck lips” “pornstar lips” “frozen faces” “but she was so beautiful before why has she ruined herself”? Like any of these nasty comments are helpful and are of any use to build up a woman’s confidence and self esteem.

Why has she ‘ruined’ herself? Because of people commenting on her looks, weight, skin tone and features. Because of people commenting on celebrities looks, weight, skin tones and features. It’s rife on social media. People like you lot. There are so many similar threads like this one, and it’s vile.

Women cannot win when it comes to physical appearance.

My friend has a daughter I haven’t seen since she was about 14. She was so pretty in a delicate way (for those old enough to remember she looked like Megan follows from Anne of Green Gables). Bumped into them today a few years later and I was chatting away to her , including her friend who was with her. Turns out “friend” was her daughter. Wouldn’t have recognized her she must only be late teens but looks the same age as us. Overdone everything and to be blunt looked like a trans woman. So very sad.

I think you forgot the eyelashes.

That is so sad. I blame the likes of the KarJenners. I personally think that they are all pretty unattractive, apart from Kendall(Khloe and Kylie are straight up ugly IMO) but young women seem to aspire to look like them. It isn't just them, either. It seems to be the in look nowadays but I personally think it's hideous.

Aren’t you a ray of sunshine. 🤢

In the 90s, as a teen, I had full, pigmented lips and used to use very pale lipstick to
make them disappear! Now it’s the other way round! Hopefully the trend will go. It really looks awful. Even very subtle lip filler I think is dodgy because it can cause the shape of the lip to change over time.

I don’t find Botox as bad when used subtly, as it can just ‘refresh’ the face. Even so, it’s so expensive for something basically unnecessary.

But the real evil though, is when these treatments become addictive. You can’t just have a couple of botox sessions, you end up getting hooked to a certain look and then you increasingly have to add more and more. Then the face loses all character, becomes mask like and really odd!

And yes, everyone starts looking the same. Katie Price talked about the ‘plastic surgery look’ (which admittedly included surgeries like facelifts) becoming ubiquitous. She said she doesn’t like that she also has that look but she’s gone too far now and is addicted.

Its just depressing that we - women mainly - are made to feel that we have to alter ourselves to achieve the unattainable goal of youth. Why does society look down on aging as if it makes any difference to who that person is within? Ageism is a big issue, largely ignored until very recently, especially for women. I don’t know what the answer is, but I am resisting botox with everything I have! Incidentally I am in my 40s and still have (relatively) full lips (yay!) but also some pretty impressive wrinkles as well as newly acquired jowls (nay!) 😖😖

My 12 year old grandaughter is deeply enmeshed in a world of beauty products - partly because her dad's GF is a cosmetics rep and uses make-up products to bond with GD...which also adds in an extra nuance of trickiness. Daughter and I are trying very hard to reframe the narratives around the beauty industry - the costs, the exploitation, the risks and, of course, the capitalist market driven imperatives which prey on vulnerability and insecurity. Personally, I am distressed at seeing the amount of product in GD's possession (which cannot have much purpose for young healthy skin), and can't help noticing the fragile state of her hair after numerous hair straightening sessions (I had no idea how brutal these hair appliances are). It is depressing that social media has enabled the insane proliferation of what seems to me to be a bizarre but ubiquitous clonish look...as well as navigating a potential minefield of hurt feelings and emotional disarray, common to all blended families.

Botox has been around for ever.
Big lips are hilarious. A vagina on your face must surely go out of fashion. Loving big bums my time has come.

I get Botox and look 100x better with it. People no longer ask me “What’s the matter” as I don’t look cross anymore.

It really baffles me as to why anyone would ever give a shit what other women do. If anyone has a problem with me having Botox you can give my star after you’ve kissed my flat lovely forehead

@YaMuvva but I could spin your story around and say it's the problem of the rude people who ask 'what's the matter'? Randoms (or friends) commenting on your looks is just plain rude. It's their problem not yours. The equivalent really of 'cheer up love it might never happen'. Just plain rude. I'd be reluctant to change my looks because of someone else's rudeness

Plus, what does this mean? If anyone has a problem with me having Botox you can give my star after you’ve kissed my flat lovely forehead.

Big lips are hilarious. A vagina on your face must surely go out of fashion

Like I said, offensive af

It’s a big thing in Eastern Europe among the young, rich kids - the lips, tits and hair extensions. Have a look at TanerTemizOfficial (he’s an excellent hairdresser) for some examples of his clients.

The point is pre-Botox my lines made me look cross. I don’t look cross now. I’m happy to throw money at not looking cross, and I find it weird anyone would criticise that decision

Give my star should have been “kiss my arse” bloody autocorrect 😂

Oh @YaMuvva nice.
I hope your arse is as smooth and lovely as your forehead.

I don't have big lines (I'm 58) but well remember comments through my youth of 'smile love...'
it used to rattle me. But I learned to ignore, and I was damned if I was going to adjust my face for such rude (let's face it) men.

But your injectables obviously make you feel better about yourself so that's great

About three years ago, a friend of mine decided to have Botox and fillers,
I did say to her at the time,you know with Botox and fillers that they will disappear in time and you have to be able to afford to keep topping them up.
(she is also a smoker and a sunworshipper, so in my mind, a complete waste of money)
Well she couldn’t and didn’t and now looks worse than before she started the treatments 🤷‍♀️