To want every women in England to vote Tory at the GR

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So I don't agree with Angela Rayner's description of the Tories as scum, but I get her drift and if she'd been more tempered in her language I probably would have bought in.

HOWEVER

For me - and actually should be got everyone - the only real issue at the next GE is freedom of speech/women's rights.

I see Labour as the destroyer of these and so must vote against them. The only meaningful way to do this is to vote Tory which I am reluctant but prepared to do.

Is this unreasonable?

Happy to be convinced - for real not just words - if there is evidence Labour (Starmer 1 in 1000 women have a dick) may see the light before the GE.

Really? Tories cut the fee to get a GRC to just £5, have opened up more Gender clinics and under their watch, we see women waiting years to see their attacker in a court room, thats if they are one of the 1% of rape victims that ever get a day in court.

They also have ignored the results of the enquiry into the WASPI women and will not compensate them, not one penny.

But most of all they ve have 14 years to repeal or amend the GRA and have not done so, nor have they any plans to do so.

Surprised anyone would be gullible enough to believe anything coming from this government, they know they will be out of power, so are now in a rush to screw over the country and damage our nation to make Labours job as hard as possible.

If you are concerned about freedom of speech and thought, please give me a recent example where the tories have shown any respect for that.
I would never ever vote for a party that has destroyed this country year after year, whatever the alternatives.
Also, the gender debate, I think it is used like a political weapon, instead of about the issues it actually represents. So, I am rebelling but not accepting this as a political reason for anything. I neither have any issues with my gender or my sex, but have plenty with my GP non-appointment system (funny enough, the hospitals are managing to give appointments and good care, with delays, but they manage to do it), my bills, the general non-distribution of wealth, the lack of good policing and security, the waste of money on useless projects, lack of road/ street repairs from councils, estate of the JSA/ wellfare system and so on and on....

I can’t vote Tory because of what they have done to the NHS. I can’t vote Labour due to their disappointing stance on the Middle East conflict. I guess we all have different issues that matter to us. What Sunak and Starmer mumble about trans issues (in an attempt to gain votes, who knows what they actually think) is not the biggest issue for me right now.

I am undecided. After years of voting Labour.

Do not agree - look at the bigger picture.

I agree with you about labour and woman but don't agree with voting for Tory. I can't vote Tory or labour so....no idea what to do at the moment

You'd have to be off your bonce to vote Tory.

Have you seen what the Tories have done to this country since 2010 - and you are scared of a Labour government?

The Tories put a lying sex yeti and a bunch of drooling halfwits (hi Nadine!) in charge of the country at a time when we needed to be able to place trust in our politicians more than any other time since the Second World War. I don’t trust their judgement about anything. Look at the state of the country while they line their own pockets and their mates’ pockets. There are a lot of good people in the grass roots of the Tory party and I feel sorry for them being saddled with a load of cockwombles nationally.

Please fuck off
The Tories are scum, single handidly destroying our NHS, give zero fucks about anyone who isn't a high earner, destroying our education system, don't care about the elderly.... I could go on and on!

This utterly bewilders me tbh.

Even if the most radical policies possible supporting trans people were all brought in overnight, do you really think that could match the harm caused by austerity and the destruction of the NHS?

It's actually quite concerning that posters can't see past this single issue. Fortunately I don't think many voters think this way, but still.

First post nailed it. The Conservative Party are no friend to women.

Plus, I would never vote for a party on a single issue. That’s a fools game. There are so many things that affect our rights and safety as women and this is just one. An important one and a complex one, but, there are many others.

I donate where I can to gender critical court cases. I write the occasional complaint letter to the bbc or to my mp.

I also care about the nhs, in work poverty, the environment, homelessness, education, etc.

I will be voting labour (through gritted teeth).

It’s not a tiny issue. It’s a totemic issue.

If you vote Labour would it reasonable for me to say that you support women being flashed at and sexually assaulted in female-only spaces? No. Because I recognise that people are making a choice based on a range of competing considerations. That choice is not always easy, and it is imperfect, but it is a good-faith choice based on the situation we are faced with. Nobody supports the starving of children.

I totally agree with you and so do all my female friends at work. Good on you 👏

If you genuinely were prioritising women's rights, you would look at the cumulative impact of all the policy and past behaviour and make an assessment on this basis, which you aren't.

Trans represents such a sliver of this, and trying to argue it is more impactful than the rest of a manefesto combined is just pure fiction.

The only people trotting this out are existing tory voters hiding behind a one line soundbite to avoid having to engage in a meaningful way with the complexities of actual debate. It is lazy, disingenuous, one dimensional and frankly cowardly.

Trying (and failing) to whip up hysteria on a populist style one liner in this way is frankly shameful but fortunately highly ineffective on any meaningful scale.

Not a chance.

But how on earth can you think that the Tories are the least worst thing?

Starving children isn't an exaggeration. Why on earth would you prioritise the gender thing over children living in poverty when it comes to holding your nose and voting for the least worst option?

Lying sex yeti is the funniest and most accurate description ever. 😂

The one thing guaranteed after the next election is massive tax hikes.

No, because my gender aside I don't agree with the majority of their policies.

I don't know who you are but you need to look at the bigger picture.

I agree its complicated-for me, neither party have come out strong enough on women's rights-particularly I would like stronger policy on crime against women and girls, better conviction rates and something to address the embedded misogynistic societal values that have normalised poor treatment of women.

In a wider sense though-I feel society has become more divided, less tolerant and there is so much anger/hatred. I don't know if this is driven by shoddy political leadership, economic disadvantage and poverty, worsening living standards or so much time being spent arguing over petty procedural issues instead of working policy in the HoC, but I would like to see more cohesion, respect and tolerance across society.

A pipe dream perhaps.

@CaterhamReconstituted but you are voting for the party who has caused children to starve, and will continue to. They will allow energy prices to sky rocket, because they have shares in the energy companies.

You're talking hypotheticals about labour. This is the very real impact of austerity.

Let alone the NHS etc.

Just admit you don't care about the kids and the NHS, and everything else the tories have done, and you're more bothered about this single issue that is, really, only about a tiny % of the population, and the vast majority of these people just want to exist. There's a tiny, tiny fraction of trans people who have nefarious plans, and they will exist no matter what party is in power.

Well thank goodness I'm not in England.

I want a change, the country needs change and rejuvenating
We obviously need a different money stragety for many of our services and we need the swings and balances of labour and tory rule. It's not good having one party rule endlessly.

Having said that I won't give my vote to a party who will trample over our hard won rights agaisnt a landscape where women are still not treated equally.

Spot on @Perijobwoes Voting on a single issue is blinkered.