To want every women in England to vote Tory at the GR

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So I don't agree with Angela Rayner's description of the Tories as scum, but I get her drift and if she'd been more tempered in her language I probably would have bought in.

HOWEVER

For me - and actually should be got everyone - the only real issue at the next GE is freedom of speech/women's rights.

I see Labour as the destroyer of these and so must vote against them. The only meaningful way to do this is to vote Tory which I am reluctant but prepared to do.

Is this unreasonable?

Happy to be convinced - for real not just words - if there is evidence Labour (Starmer 1 in 1000 women have a dick) may see the light before the GE.

Like the tories have? By removing the automatic right to abortion? The tories don't care about women

That's not an answer to the question.

Ah your hyperbole suddenly makes sense. The treacherous little “they just want to exist” line gives you away I think.

YANBU OP. I was going to vote Labour for the first time ever at the next general election but after looking into it there is no way I am going to and will be voting Conservative in a bid to keep Labour out. You only have to look at Scotland and Canada to see how bad things could get.

I agree with you OP

As a lone mother working full time in the severely underfunded domestic abuse sector, I seriously urge people not to vote Tory.

"For me - and actually should be got everyone - the only real issue at the next GE is freedom of speech/women's rights."

Personally the three real issues for me are the economy, housing and education.

As important as freedom of speech and women's rights are they are not going to feed us, put a roof over our heads and give our children a future.

@CaterhamReconstituted what does it give me away as?

Someone who cares about the impacts of austerity much more than a tiny percentage of the population?

If you're really that blinkered, feel free to vote for them. But you should know exactly what you're supporting. That includes the deaths of children due to mould and poverty, the party that partied during Covid, the party that are stripping our NHS beyond the bare bones to make a profit when we end up with a privatised health system. You're supporting nurses using food banks and teachers leaving the profession because of what the tories have done. The tories did that and I hope you're happy supporting them.

Oh for goodness sake, I'm not voting Tory.

1. I don't believe they support women's rights any more than other parties.
2. I do not believe that women's rights are the only thing worth voting for - my three priorities are the NHS, Climate Change, poverty. I'm not particularly interested in the trans issue.

Where is this from please? I’m depressed to see climate change so low down. The NHS and economy are going to suffer even more with the climate emergency. It is already causing higher illness and mortality, there was a big review recently. Green initiatives could really boost the economy and we spend millions subsidising the oil industry. Not to mention the costs of adaptations like flood defences.

Or Wales if you want to see what poverty under Labour looks like.

how have they protected women so far?
this shit show has happened on their watch

I’ve got an mp who votes against abortion, that’s not protecting women.

I'm in a GC group and several of the women in it who are left wing are saying they will vote Tory at the next GE as, for them, this is the biggest issue.

I've never encountered a TW in a women-only space, despite living in an area where there is a higher than average proportion of trans people. But every day, I come across problems caused by the Tories' failure to adequately find our public services, from potholes in the roads to the near impossibility of getting a response from a council or a govt department when you try and ring them. They have presided over the near collapse of the NHS, a massive rise in homelessness and poverty and have made most of us poorer with their sodding "austerity".

Anyone who could contemplate voting for this shower of shite to do more damage may have been "left wing" once, but they certainly aren't any more.

I think all parties are shit at the moment but I will vote Tory as we have a very good Tory MP who works so hard for the constituents.

Getting really bored with the amount of transphobic threads in AIBU. Please fuck back off to the Gender & Feminism board. And no, I won't vote for another 5 years of this shit.

I've never encountered a TW full stop.

But some people on here have been whipped into a frenzy based on echo chambers and seem to think we're going to be overrun with men in women's spaces.

Realistically they just don't care about all the other issues and are happy with the status quo.

England?

You don't get it. You really just on't get it! It's NOT about trans people per se.

It's about MEN, any and ALL men, which are 50% of the population, invading our spaces. Because once one man - part of a teeny tiny (which appears to be getting bigger and bigger and bigger every year) population or not, gains access, ALL men can gain access.

It's about MALE (50% of the population) vs FEMALE.

It's not about 'trans'.

You really, REALLY do not get it. Perhaps on purpose.

That probably depends on the individual politician.

I think it's useful to separate out intention from outcome.

The Tory's goal is a prosperous country. The fact that that hasn't been achieved is a mixture of mistakes (imo brexit and austerity) and factors outside their control (global economic slowdown, wars, covid). If they could make Britain twice as rich and everyone have access to every service they would.

Whereas on the women's rights issue, the problems aren't politicians trying and failing to uphold women's spaces. They are making conscious choices that some men should be allowed in women's sports, prisons, hospital wards etc. Here it's not a failure to achieve an aim of protecting women's rights, the aim IS to erode women's rights.

For me that is an ethical failure rather than a political failure and something that I can't vote for.

Not a fucking cat in hells chance I would ever vote for those cunts.
(Sorry about the swearing but you know. A time and a place).

Oh sorry hen, by not voting I mean spoil my paper.

Not keen on any independents etc and I will just probably write a wee essay on why I'm not happy with the genocide of infants.

I just mean I won't vote for a candidate x

YABU

If you think that the issue of women's/transwomens rights is the ONLY issue at the next general election, you are extremely privileged.

I am not going to list ALL the things that affect the rest of the population. But around a fifth are living in poverty of which over 4 million are children. The tories are systematically dismantling the NHS in their very obvious desire to privatise it. They continue to enable companies to maximize profits with inflated costs, tax breaks whilst doing nothing to reduce costs. They have fucked the country with Brexit because two of the arseholes personal rivalry.

They are shameless crooks who openly take advantage of their position to line their and their mates own pockets. The ONLY thing they have going for them is their definition of a woman. Of course they are going to seize onto that and peddle that out endlessly to get whatever votes they can. They are not now, nor have they ever been in the side of the average woman.

If you fall for it, then you are either immensely privileged and unaffected by all they have or you are a gullible idiot who falls for their propaganda.

Well I'm now planning to vote LibDem just to annoy OP!

What future do our children have, our girls if we give away their rights?

The NHS won't suddenly work, because it's fundamentally flawed. Poverty won't forget away either under labour and we know Labour apologised for failing on poverty last time.
So our girls are still at risk of all the things they are under tory rule or any rule but with Labour they also loose their right to being girls? And to bejng safe? And freedom of speech.

YABU. I'm holding anyone who votes this current shit show back in personally responsible for the demise of the NHS, including the inability to get a dentist or GP appointment, for poverty and undernourished children, for lack of housing, for the pollution of our rivers and waterways, for the cost of living crisis, the fall out of Brexit including not being able to get my prescriptions, to lack of mental health services, particularly for children. I'll blame you for the lack of services because councils have been starved of cash, the potholes, the rubbish on the streets, crumbing schools, lack of youth support and so on and so forth.