To want every women in England to vote Tory at the GR

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So I don't agree with Angela Rayner's description of the Tories as scum, but I get her drift and if she'd been more tempered in her language I probably would have bought in.

HOWEVER

For me - and actually should be got everyone - the only real issue at the next GE is freedom of speech/women's rights.

I see Labour as the destroyer of these and so must vote against them. The only meaningful way to do this is to vote Tory which I am reluctant but prepared to do.

Is this unreasonable?

Happy to be convinced - for real not just words - if there is evidence Labour (Starmer 1 in 1000 women have a dick) may see the light before the GE.

On this particular issue, the only difference is that under the Tories we can name the discrimination and measure the negative impact of policies on women. Under Labour we won’t, as the class ‘woman’ will no longer exist without including males. Labels and language will be meaningless and so will any data collection.
In relation to everything else, life will pretty much be the same. There’s no money and no major policy changes from either party that I have confidence will be actioned.

We have become so complacent we have just grumbled and accepted the fact it’s impossible to see an NHS dentist now, it’s difficult to see the GP, that groceries costs are skyrocketing while supermarkets make record profits, schools are oversubscribed and underfunded. They’ve made this the new normal.

Because Labour have absolutely no interest in protecting women and their daughters.

Starmer is too much of a wet blanket to stand up for woman’s rights because he’s just too desperate to be PM, he’s running round like a headless chicken trying to work out which policies will get him the most votes without considering the effect his ‘women have penises’ policy will actually have on half the country.
Hes desperate and people who are so desperate are dangerous

@Echobelly You might not see a massive difference in number of assaults, as the population affected by the rule change is small. You'd probably have a bigger decrease in "lower level" crimes such as flashing and voyeurism. Any reduction is any of these crimes is worth pursuing in my view.

If I said we should allow some other subset of men into all women's spaces. For example male double glazing salesmen, you would call me ridiculous. But then why exclude them? They are only a tiny percentage of the population after all. And by the trans rights activists logic, any claim that letting them into women's spaces would increase crime or discomfort would surely based on hatred of double glazing salesmen and implying that they are all rapists.

@Wonderfulstuff "And just to say it again, the current tax burden is higher now than it ever was under labour - we pay more for less services."
Where does this happen?
The NHS has had more money since Brexit, (Much more than was written on that bus). It employs more people and has provided treatment to many more.
What in your opinion should any government do next?

I don't know how bad this country has to get before people realise how shit the Tories are.

Labour, Lib Dems, Greens, Women's working party all talk about 'equality'

The Tories are about the 'haves' and 'haves not' and if you are in the latter group, they couldn't give a flying fuck about you.

Starmer's entire career history has proved he is no wet blanket.

He's not desperate. He doesn't have to be - Labour have got the next election in the bag.

Why do you think the Tories have any interest in protecting women? They've been in power for 13 years and everything that has happened in terms of gender ID has happened on their watch. They have only started to pretend to care about it now because they think it might help them win the next election as a wedge issue. If they do win it (they won't), they'll just mutter about it but actually do nothing, like they do with other wedge issues such as the 'small boats.'

Women are far - and proveably - worse off under the Tories than they are under Labour.

YabVu

YABU

The Tories have wreaked this country, anyone voting for the Tories can go jump.

Not a snowball’s chance in hell.

The way to deal with this issue is to pressure Labour once in power. Women are over 50% of the voting population - we have the power to change the government’s stance.

Exactly. Once in power Labour will have to change their stance if they want to stay on power. And we can force’em.

I got an insight into how Tory voters think when one diehard supporter said to me recently 'I don't understand why you wouldn't vote Conservative, all homeowners should'.

That's it. Self-interest. I have warned friends/family not to tell me if they are thinking of voting Tory unless they are willing for me to think far less of them. I have had to watch the benefits for my severely disabled DS deplete over the years to the extent they keep him alive and not an awful lot else. I cannot understand or respect anyone who actively votes for this.

Still, DS is wheelchair bound, costs money to look after and will never be able to work and make others rich - so who cares about him eh?

If they won't change their stance in the run up to an election or after the horrors of the medical experimentation on children with known lack of proper consent shown in the WPATH files there is no way in hell they'll change their stance once in power.

And they might well make it a 'hate crime' to state you want single sex spaces, discuss WPATH etc so then we can't complain.

Is it privilege, ignorance or stupidity to believe that self id laws are the most pressing issue our society faces?

Of course the NHS budget has gone up - even the Tories wouldn't try cutting it. It needs to increase by over 6% every year to maintain the same level of service, and this hasn't happened since Labour left office. So in real terms, it's absolutely drowning - and you only have to visit a hospital to see how true this is.

As for not understanding that our high taxes don't seem to be funding our (destroyed and shit) public services, oh come on, are you living under a rock?

This is such a ridiculous argument perpetrated by the Tories as part of their culture wars. The Tories are the people who wrote this into law. If you honestly think they give a fig for women's rights, go ahead vote for them and prove you haven't been awake for the last 14 years.

I’ve haven’t read the whole thread but my opinion is that as the Tories currently still have a majority if they wanted to reinforce women’s rights they would already have done it by now.

As none of the other parties are offering anything on this issue for me it isn’t a decider.

I would like someone else to vote for and I don’t mean reform/reclaim or the trans loving Women’s Equality Party either.

Does anyone remember that program “The Amazing Mrs Pritchard” where Jane Horrock’s character was so disillusioned with politicians she started her own movement and her party was elected to government. Obviously it was fiction but that’s what I think we need and a modern day equivalent is probably the only chance I won’t spoil my vote next general election.

it costs £500 to stand as an MP which could easily be crowd funded. Maybe JKR could be our Mrs Pritchard.

And yet Labour aren’t proposing anything to extend support.
The conservatives have just lowered the ni burden and extended free nursery hours. I don’t see Labour proposing to do much and anything they have proposed in the past has been financially or legally unworkable and they have backtracked or just quietly forgotten.

But then we are a Capitalist country,

As an aside a person earning £24,000 takes home including benefits the same as a person earning £52,000 in real terms because they do not receive financial benefits ( UC etc)
How much more should higher tax payers be paying. Are we looking at imposing an equal salary for all workers, ( even irrespective of the hours they are doing)….

It's the former, I reckon - with a bit of radicalisation. Move in certain circles and you'd definitely think it was the entire focus of feminism, whereas in fact it's completely derailed it. The drag of left wing feminists to the right has been depressing to watch.

I really CBA to RTFT but I would be nuch better if MN didn't allow Tory Central office to spout bullshit on here.

But why are they not listening to women now?

For women prisoners, in Scotland they are far more likely to be housed with a male rapist parading around with an erection in the showers threatening the female inmates than in England because the Tories made changes to make this prohibited in England and Wales.

So those women are less likely to suffer this abuse of their human rights (and constantly living in fear in prison) under the Tories than under Labour who will no doubt reverse those changes.

So not all women will be better off under Labour. That's a specific policy where the most vulnerable women will be worse off and suffer cruel and unusual punishment in prison.

During the last Labour government things were a lot better but that had a lot more to do with the economic climate than the party in charge IMO. They were the party that brought in PFI in the NHS which has bled it dry.

There's not a lot of difference I don't think anymore.

Indeed.

Every voter has the right to chose what aspect ( or aspects ) of society and / or policy is the most important to them.
It is privilege, ignorance and stupidity to think a democratic country is anything else