To want every women in England to vote Tory at the GR

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So I don't agree with Angela Rayner's description of the Tories as scum, but I get her drift and if she'd been more tempered in her language I probably would have bought in.

HOWEVER

For me - and actually should be got everyone - the only real issue at the next GE is freedom of speech/women's rights.

I see Labour as the destroyer of these and so must vote against them. The only meaningful way to do this is to vote Tory which I am reluctant but prepared to do.

Is this unreasonable?

Happy to be convinced - for real not just words - if there is evidence Labour (Starmer 1 in 1000 women have a dick) may see the light before the GE.

Tories don't give a damn about women as evidenced by the high mortality rate of black women in child birth ,of working class women , of children in poverty ,of women dying from domestic violence by their male partners because facillities have been cut, of women dying from substance misuse because the Tories have cut decent provisions of rehabilitation resources, because of the number of homeless women or those living in substandard housing and in overpriced private lets(funding the neo conservative goals), of the numbers of women who work in woefully underpaid roles such as in care work or as unpaid carers /nhs workers and who the Tories had the cheek to try and take to court for wanting a pay rise and the number of women forced to use food banks to feed their family, many of them while holding down a job. Remember when we didn't have food banks? I do, yes I do before Cameron we didn't have them. We had emergency food banks for people at Christmas before then but not a regular thing before Cameron. So no, I won't be voting Tory. Nice try.

Yabu

The damage they've done to women in this country goes far beyond gender identity wars.

Women will be better off under labour or the greens (who knows about the lib dems, when did they last have anything to say?)

Well said.

It is true. The crime survey statistics don’t depend on successful prosecutions - which is what you’re talking about and is a separate issue. Hence my stats which are from people self reporting experience of abuse are much more useful. And they show a significant and consistent decline since 2005.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/domesticabuseprevalenceandtrendsenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2023#:~:text=%5Bnote%201%5D.-,The%20police%20recorded%201%2C453%2C867%20domestic%20abuse%2Drelated%20incidents%20and%20crimes,1%2C347%2C536)%20%5Bnote%203%5D.

Sorry, I didn’t realise that. I didn’t think that men could just identify as a women that easily. I’ve always thought that you had to live as the other gender for some time first. Sorry. Clearly, I need to do a lot more reading on this.

absolutely

Yep!

OP if the Tories have done nothing about this up until now, why would you vote for them?

Oh that's right, they pay your salary to start posts on popular forums.

YABU
tories don’t give a shit about women.
that said there are no appealing parties to vote for. It’s all the same crap different colour tie.

No one should vote Tory because of things like this. They are truly scummy and only interested in lining their and their rich mates pockets.

One man in a woman's space is ONE TOO MANY.

One child living in poverty is ONE TOO MANY.

One child's health sacrificed to mould is ONE TOO MANY.

One nurse depending on foodbanks because her salary isn't enough to feed and house her family is ONE TOO MANY.

One child's surgery postponed to the point her condition becomes inoperable (did you see that heart-breaking story on the BBC yesterday?) is ONE TOO MANY.

One cancer diagnosis delayed because the patient can't get a hospital appointment is ONE TOO MANY.

One child ending up in A&E because of a lack of GP appointments is ONE TOO MANY.

One school unable to meet its pupils' needs because of funding shortfalls is ONE TOO MANY.

One woman giving up work because her salary doesn't cover her childcare bill is ONE TOO MANY.

I could go on.

My thoughts precisely, @Pixit.

Under no circumstances will I be voting for 5 more years of the Tories and their utter disregard for the general public, their cutting of public spending, their running down of the NHS or their tax cuts for their wealthy mates.

It seems like a madness to me that a Tory government doesn’t keep people awake!
Although, I guess that depends on individual circumstances.
A Tory government is mean, punitive and are so obvious in their allegiance to those with wealth and power that I’m surprised that there hasn’t been an uprising.
But, your post is goady I think! In relation to your funded hours position. It’s been such an I’ll thought out policy that has zero chance of being realised, you’ve been entirely blindsided and demonstrate zero critical taking skills!

Lolz id say to fuck off tbh! id never vote tory

For me - and actually should be got everyone - the only real issue at the next GE is freedom of speech/women's rights.

I am sorry but of all the issues at the next GE this doesn't even make it into the top 10 IMO.

Have you seen the state of the nation OP?

Free Speech attitudes to women and equality affect everything that happens to us all the time. It pervades NHS, education and industry in particular.
The Tories cannot win a GE. No other English Party can make a dent in the big Labour majority that we will see.

The Tories have fielded so many 2nd class people all through their time in power that the clever ones were so overloaded even they failed.
Labour with a big majority and 10 years 'stability' to look forward to will not produce much that will benefit most of us on Mumsnet. Economics as demonstrated in productivity tables will not be changed by much at all. The Traditions in the NHS and the attitudes of Trade Unionists such as those leading the railways will stall any progress that Starmer might wish to make.

As for the LibDems: From Fallon on they have not even had second rate people in places of influence. A total disgrace, I can't think of a single LibDem with intellectual weight. I am old enough to remember Jo Grimond, I often thought him wrong. He was often unsupportable but always worth listening to. A man with a fine brain.
Greens and Reform & others are merely howling into a night that does not see them.

This is a reassuring thread. last time I saw one of these, there were a lot of GC feminists who had this view.

Ultimately, the Tories might claim to know what a woman is, but it's under their watch that Tavistock happened. That men are taking part in women's sport. That men are infiltrating women's spaces from prisons to changing rooms. That men are being awarded with positions and awards that were ring fenced for women.

Labour has said nothing that suggests they plan to materially move this forward. At worst, they'll carry on with the same trajectory that the Tories have allowed already. I notice there's a lot of labour women who are starting to try to differentiate and say that while there are biological women and trans women they're all women, but this is actually a step forward from TWAW.

At the end of the day, the Tories have done NOTHING to support women. The failing NHS and education systems are more of an issue for women. And let's not forget Covid - not just the big ones like shitty PPI, domestic abuse increases and the fact that women were dumped with the bulk of the caring/schooling roles - but even the "little" ones betrayed how completely indifferent they are to women. My personal favourite being when they allowed barbers to open, but not hairdressers or beauty salons. Or when golf was allowed before any other sport or activity.

Making your personal feelings about Transfolk and the impact on womens rights the focus of you vote is SO SO blind, and beyond stupid.

I can't even.

This is the problem there are no options who are totally woman friendly. Thats
ehy my vote will go to the only party who at least can define a woman. If Keir starmer. Could come out and say I believe and my party believes that the only definition of a woman is an adult human female (and convincingly got rid of its anti semitism) then I would seriously consider them. But until that day I can only assume it’s a party who hate women and are potential holocaust deniers.

You didn’t read what I posted, did you? It quite clearly points out that domestic violence has increased - there’s even a nice bar chart showing it - while the conviction rate has decreased. There’s the opposite of a decline. The latest figures show a 7.7% increase year on year. Data trumps anecdote. Try again.

Huge rise in domestic abuse cases being dropped in England and Wales https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58910802

You're 'avin' larfff 'ere. As they say.
Got to be a Tory bot clutching at straws.

Who funds the welsh government, out of interest?

Who sets their budget?

It’s not stupid to protect your own rights. How can a party protect women’s rights when they don’t even know what a woman is?

You think the ability to define a woman is more important than actually doing something that protects women/ makes their live better?
No way -they will not get my vote!

There are far more serious issues in this country than the perception that Labour ' doesn't know what a woman is' .

Also, it is incredibly disingenuous to think that Tories are any better advocates for womens rights that Labour - look how the former PM treated women. Is that so much better than Labours ideals?

Most people will vote to get rid of a corrupt, bigoted, racist, lying, incompetent Government at the next election, thank God.

One issue voting is stupid.