To want every women in England to vote Tory at the GR

[Hurrydash]

So I don't agree with Angela Rayner's description of the Tories as scum, but I get her drift and if she'd been more tempered in her language I probably would have bought in.

HOWEVER

For me - and actually should be got everyone - the only real issue at the next GE is freedom of speech/women's rights.

I see Labour as the destroyer of these and so must vote against them. The only meaningful way to do this is to vote Tory which I am reluctant but prepared to do.

Is this unreasonable?

Happy to be convinced - for real not just words - if there is evidence Labour (Starmer 1 in 1000 women have a dick) may see the light before the GE.

Don’t you think it’s important that you understand that there is a difference between the singular ‘woman’ and the plural ‘women’?

Let’s at least name ourselves correctly.

Thanks @Hurrydash 😆 I needed a laugh on this dull, cold, wet, windy morning.

EVERY WOMAN MUST VOTE TORY IN THE GENERAL ELECTION!!! 😂 That's a new level of funny! Good one!

And even shitter in Wales, under Labour.

@ilovesooty

If you'd bothered to read the responses some of us are saying that we feel women's rights are not the issue which will primarily drive the decision of most of the electorate. Not to mention the fact that that the Tories don't care about anyone's rights, let alone the rights of women.

What this poster said! ^ 100%.

I would rather poke both my eyes out with flaming hot coals than vote Tory. Ever. They have destroyed this country in the last 12 years. How anybody can contemplate voting for them is beyond me.

Agree

@Hurrydash vote for the same party who merrily jumped into a coalition with the DUP, a party who actively campaigns against abortion even in cases of rape or incest? Although as you only mentioned women in England presumably women in NI can get stuffed

Seconded.

Yep. The amount of people willing to sneer at rape survivors and call them 'transphobic' is very defeating.

@Perzival

I'd love to vote Labour but I think they'll make everything worse and pull thd country into more issues

I won’t be voting Labour because they won’t solve the fundamental problems. But do you actually believe that someone as professional, intelligent and experienced as Starmer would be less competent than Johnson, Truss and Sunak? I find that amusing. I won’t be happy if Labour win but at least as a small consolation with Starmer we will finally have a leader who isn’t:

A) idiotic dangerous morons like Johnson and Truss
or
B) not morons, but still woefully out of their depth like May and Sunak

I’m not sure how it’s an odd argument. My point is that is rare than men will go to the lengths of identifying as a different gender to attack or kill women. I’m not at all saying in my post that it doesn’t happen though. I’m saying in my post that politicians (mainly the Tories) make us think that this is a much more common occurrence than it is. Of course, we should keep our safeguarding policies and codes of practice to guard against this sort of thing. Unfortunately not every incident can be prevented, but we can update safeguarding policies and regulations to try as much as possible to prevent them from happening.

I agree that it should be legal in some circumstances to exclude on the basis of sex - e.g. women’s refuges, places used by vulnerable women, sports where women are competing on the basis of physical strength and power, as their strength and power will be different to that of men.

I also agree with you that women aren’t expected to say no to unreasonable demands.

Except that the Labour Party brought in the GRA in 2004. So you are wrong.

Guessing you're a man as you find women's right so contemptible. Post a Labour election victory don't be surprised when you find your daughters in changing rooms with men etc.

A firmn line needs to be taken on these things... women's safety is no laughing matter as you clearly think it is.

No fucking way. They've caused immeasurable damage during their tenure and anyone blind to see that is either wilfully blinkered, hate-fueled or woefully self-centered.

My point is that is rare than men will go to the lengths of identifying as a different gender to attack or kill women.

That's the whole point! Because they don't have to go to ANY lengths! Just walk in as a man, dressed as they are! They don't have do anything! Just walk in. And now we cannot call them out, because the we are the ones charged/banned etc. I'm not sure why you think there is any effort at all for a man to enter a womens space. That's the whole point.

The country is more at threat from the Tory government than the small subset of population that would abuse trans rights

But they aren’t going to be able to fund all those things they want to do. Without a massive tax hike on the general population. At this point the NHS doesn’t just need more cash, it needs a massive overhaul - it’s no longer fit for purpose giving it more cash is pouring money into a black hole.

The problems faced by schools, the nhs, the police are problems of society as a whole. It’s a broken society with too much immigration - our local schooling has virtually collapsed with kids being shipped nils away even though they live in catchment, schools hang balloon forms - my sons school had to create 2 new forms per year. Lack of discipline, mental health issues, lack of consistent moral compass (often caused by a push towards multiculturalism- which I think has been shown not to work). Our local hospitals are full. 12 hour A&E waits common, large amounts of people who can’t speak English.

I wonder if it’s the SNP new law effect emboldening abuse against women, or just the same old

CaterhamReconstituted · Today 10:25
People are really letting their tribal and partisan hatred of the Tories blind them to what is at stake with single-sex spaces.”

Alternatively, other issues take precedence, as they do for me?

"In Labour run Wales" is such a classic Tory deflection.

Meanwhile, the people of Wales continue to strongly support Labour.

Not true.

Huge rise in domestic abuse cases being dropped in England and Wales https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58910802

Your demographics likely mean you always will

One man in a woman's space is ONE TOO MANY. Already there are accounts on this very site of girls not going to school when they're on the periods because they have no girls only toilets. The ripple effect of this is enormous. People simply don't have the critical thinking to understand how serious and wide-reaching this is. Another poster said their girl never changes their pad at school, and they flood. Another poster last year said they restrict fluids during the work day (thus risking a UTI) so they don't have to use the all-sex toilet.

This is a MASSIVE issue. But people are too stubbornly narrow-minded to use cognitive reasoning and critical thinking.

My post was in no way snappy or aggressive, patronising maybe, but not aggressive. It was also in response to a patronising comment you made to another poster. Strange that you find it so offensive.

The fact that you also bemoan a comment as 'pointless', when you're plan is to deface a ballot!!! Why even waste your time going to the polling station just to write an essay that will be glanced at and put in the bin?

I never claimed to have the answers or infinite wisdom to solve the current situation. I am as fed up and frustrated with the current situation as you seem to be. My only tip is: wasting votes like this could contribute to Tory reelection, please reconsider it.

Didn't say i'd be voting for Labour Either

I'm as yet undecided, but i do also live (unfortunately) in a Tory 'Safe Seat' so my vote is unlikely to have much effect other than to chip away at a very vast, long standing majority :( This area stayed Tory even during Labour Government.

The issues at the forefront of my attention tend more to financial/disabled rights/Benefits/Environmental than womens rights in isolation.