To want every women in England to vote Tory at the GR

[Hurrydash]

So I don't agree with Angela Rayner's description of the Tories as scum, but I get her drift and if she'd been more tempered in her language I probably would have bought in.

HOWEVER

For me - and actually should be got everyone - the only real issue at the next GE is freedom of speech/women's rights.

I see Labour as the destroyer of these and so must vote against them. The only meaningful way to do this is to vote Tory which I am reluctant but prepared to do.

Is this unreasonable?

Happy to be convinced - for real not just words - if there is evidence Labour (Starmer 1 in 1000 women have a dick) may see the light before the GE.

I don't. I'm not voting Tory, either. I am just pleased they'll say what a woman is - just wish they'd do something about it.

I'm hoping for a Women's Party candidate or a good independent, or at a push, Reform.

I don't think any of our main parties are worth a light - they are primarily corrupt self-serving narcissists.

There are some wonderful MPs of all political colours - but the majority are nest-featherers who outvote them and shout them down. Our parliament is filled with idle, greedy men of straw, who allow themselves t be swayed by a few fanatics if it seems that the wind is blowing that way.

Exactly.

I wish we could have electoral reform &/or maybe compulsory voting like in Australia.

People are really letting their tribal and partisan hatred of the Tories blind them to what is at stake with single-sex spaces.

This was a wonderful country not so long age - now it's fast becoming a violent, misogynistic sh1thole

Please elaborate. Domestic violence, to name just one thing, has been falling steadily since 2005. What is this violence in the current day that was so much better 10,20,30 years ago? Or does domestic violence not meet your definition of violence? As it doesn’t back up your point?

Im going to vote on the biggest issues facing society - education, NHS & healthcare, social care, cost of living, the economy.
Apart from some comments about trans issues I don't see how the Tories have any policies that support women

Have you forgotten that the UK includes Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales, @Hurrydash ?

Has it been falling though? Or has reporting and recording been falling as the state of policing, healthcare and social services has declined? I'd take those stats with a large pinch of salt.

People are letting their obsession with a misunderstanding of the law relating to single sex spaces blind them to what is at stake with education, health, housing and various other issues.

Its part of a trend, thats why its important. Its not the most important issue for me personally, but its certainly in my top 5. The compromising of female only safe spaces has never affected me personally, it has though affected other women and girls (and will do increasingly, given identity politics is full of ridiculous propositions upon which policy is being based).

This is exactly what I think. I think ‘dog whistle politics’ sums up the Tories’ approach to transgender issues really well.

I think the Tories have created and encouraged a moral panic over transgender people. It is entirely overblown and being used for political purposes, as the Tories are fully aware that transgender issues is a very sensitive and divisive issue and they are succeeding in making it more so.

This sounds a bit like the panic created over AIDS in the 1980s. Whilst that did sound like a frightening time to be living in, it led to a lot of absolutely unwarranted and upsetting consequences for gay men, such as being socially ostracised and generally very badly treated. I was born in the 90s, so wasn’t around in the 80s, but I’ve read and watched a lot about the AIDS epidemic and its impact.

I do realise that incidents do happen where men take advantage of women-only spaces, target vulnerable women or compete in women’s sports, to give a few examples, and they then escape the consequences that would have applied to them as men because they say they are transgender.

However, my main feeling on this is that it’s really important to put this into perspective. It’s important to remember that these sorts of incidents are really rare. Whilst they are frightening, they are not at all commonplace.

I think we owe transgender people our respect and kindness as they are human beings and need to be treated as such. Some of the press coverage I’ve seen - and the comments I’ve heard from people - makes it sound as if transgender people are not actually human, which is awful and upsetting.

The other thing that I often think when I’m thinking about this is that men already attack and kill women quite often, so if a man wants to attack, rape or kill a woman, why would he go to the enormous trouble of identifying as a woman when he could just as easily do it (and very possibly get away with it) as a man?

Apologies, I have. That was in reference to a previous poster you had replied to.

Hahahaha hahahaha NO 🤣
Tories good for women, as if lol.
Definitely NOT voting for them.
YABVU
You're a couple of days early for April'.Fool jokes

Including trans women. I think that’s where we’re going to disagree.

@Emotionalsupportviper

In which case, I hope you don't live in a marginal seat. If you do, it's a wasted vote....................................Due to the crap voting system

I agree with this. I’m sure domestic violence increased during the Covid pandemic too. I know the pandemic was a ‘one-off’ event, but the lockdowns went on for a long time, which provided an opportunity for domestic abusers to carry out their abuse in private for a long period of time.

7-8 months before the 1992 election the two parties were more or less neck and neck in the polling. And in the month or two leading up to the election the were again more or less a dead heat. Labour never had a healthy lead. Most predictions were for a hung Parliament.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_1992_United_Kingdom_general_election

The “surprise” such as it was was that the Tories gained a nice little 4-5% boost in Election Day - not that Labour didn’t get a comfortable win (now known as “shy Tory” and factored into current polling and Labours gargantuan lead). This idea that Labour was on course for a big majority is completely false.

Compare those tight end of 1991 polls showing at best Labour +2/3 points to today - consistent Labour lead of circa 20-22 points (with shy Tory factored in). This election is over.

The best way to fight domestic abuse is to empower women equipping them with the resources to leave abusive relationships and don’t even need to go into a refuge. There are hundreds of refuges around the country and I don’t think you will find many TW in them. It’s a myth that all changing rooms, toilets and refuges are now crawling with men.

A million times this.

I’m GC and have been for around 6 years and am appalled at Labour’s stance on single sex space However I’m also able to see the country cannot cope with another 5 years of Tory government.

I think the NHS, housing, education, public infrastructure, improving the economy, improving wages etc. are all more important that navel gazing about what constitutes a woman.

And all of the above have been shit under the Tories.

If your biggest concerns about modern Britain is "freedom of speech" and "women's rights" - both of which are already pretty damn good in this country - then you must have a more privileged life than most.

Well said!

Unfortunately, I don't.

They'd vote for a sewer rat if they stuck a red rosette on it here (and IMO they have).

Sure but then you need to take all stats with a pinch of salt - as well as all claims full stop.

I despise both main parties- neither are fit to govern with any MPs currently holding a seat on either side.

Things will get worse in the UK, a lot worse regardless of if its Tory or Labour. However, I appreciate we need it to just not be Tories. The voting public are so ridiculously impatient though - Labour will struggle to clean up the mess in 4 years as it runs decades deep, so come next GE another Tory idiot will come in.

Just vote for ANY OTHER PARTY whom you like and wish to support locally. Western politics are awful, the MPs are awful and most voters are idiots.

So on that OP, YABVU

My kids school is chronically underfunded, family support services are cut to the bone, maternity services struggling, cancer services underperforming, …. 14 years of Tory rule has done absolutely NOTHING for women