To want every women in England to vote Tory at the GR

[Hurrydash]

So I don't agree with Angela Rayner's description of the Tories as scum, but I get her drift and if she'd been more tempered in her language I probably would have bought in.

HOWEVER

For me - and actually should be got everyone - the only real issue at the next GE is freedom of speech/women's rights.

I see Labour as the destroyer of these and so must vote against them. The only meaningful way to do this is to vote Tory which I am reluctant but prepared to do.

Is this unreasonable?

Happy to be convinced - for real not just words - if there is evidence Labour (Starmer 1 in 1000 women have a dick) may see the light before the GE.

Of course he's discussed in relation to transwomen. Because he's an example of the risk women face when men are allowed into single sex spaces.

No-one ever said that ALL transwomen pose this risk, any more than anyone ever said that ALL men pose a risk - but because the risk is there we protect women with single sex spaces. That way rapists and non-rapists are kept out, which seems reasonable to me and to most other people of both sexes), and women retain safety, dignity and the privacy they both need and are legally entitled to expect.

Being respectful of other peoples opinions is a basic of a civil society-direct your rage at the party not people who vote for them. I’ve voted both Labour and Conservative in the past so I’m open to proper discussion but at the moment Labour seem to have nothing to offer.
The Conservatives need to do much better of course, but the world has seen massive set backs in recent times like Covid, expensive wars and COL crisis. I’m not convinced we would be in any better shape under a Labour govt 🤔

Like fuck will I ever vote Tory.

I waited a year for a gynae appointment when I was 20. That was under Labour. They're all much of a muchness.

YABU

There are much more important issues than this OP. Children are living in poverty, food banks are now everywhere and in constant use and that need is increasing. The nhs is being destroyed. Those are the things that matter most and I hope the majority will vote for those reasons.

Tbh neither is Labour. If their own leader doesn’t know the biological difference between a man and a woman

the Tories don't care about anyone's rights, let alone the rights of women

At least they are being equal in how everyone is treated 😊

I can somewhat understand where Hurrydash is coming from.

I would like to see a different Conservative Party leader. One who is more in touch with the reality of people’s lives.

I would like to see the NHS run differently and doctors and nurses to actually look at what they are doing and the consequences of their actions and get better systems in place so they don’t waste so much of our money

I would like to see education given a shake up so that it isn’t just the academically bright who have access to colleges to learn a trade or do any sort of further education that could result in a career path.

With Labour I would like to see a leader who has policies that aren’t based on how the wind is blowing and which section of society is shouting the loudest at that moment

I couldn’t tell you a single policy Labour has that I feel confident if they got to power they would have the confidence to enact it. Starmer seems to have the single mindedness to keep to what ever the manifesto says

Anyone who believes the Tories stance on women is at best naive and and worst completely stupid. Empty words about women being women only get trotted out when they are on the downward, they know it's an Achilles heel for labour so they are exploiting that fact.

I usually vote tory, but they need a clear out, maybe if Labour come in and are awful the next election with a whole load of new candidates might be the time to tactically vote for them. I fear they are going all culture wars, I really don't want them to be rewarded for that, the trans issues aside.

I am voting party of women

No, he is discussed in relation to prison policy, abuse of self ID, and risk to women when writing policies and legislation.

Has it escaped your notice that very few activities and places are segregated by sex?

Very few men are a danger to women.

The conflict arises in the instances where sex is relevant, like prisons, and sport and where women are vulnerable, or expect privacy.

You can argue over when sex is relevant and important and where to draw the line, but then your argument is for mixed sex facilities and policies. There is no logic to segregating by gender.

I think everyone should read Animal Farm before voting for the Labour Party. It's just what they are, they can't help it.
As for the Conservatives, what is happening now is what happens every time they serve consecutive terms.

In an ideal world, Labour would get in and dish out all we have in benefits to appease the whiners, to be immediately followed by the Tories to get the economy back before there's f*all left as usual.
Then, perhaps as a nation we can decide to get rid of party politics in its current form. It's not working. Why do we need sides? It's all 'us and them'. There are some incredibly clever people in politics, but as soon as they put on that blue/red/yellow/whatever badge, they seem to stop being human.

He does know though but what do you expect him to say? Is it really better if he says something that he knows will get him pushed out and you get the party headed up by some unelectable idiot like Lisa Nandy?
Like it or not there’s a whole international framework of transgender rights that the UK has signed up to and can’t opt out of. No matter who gets elected to government.

Look i can’t vote Labour as I think they are run at the core by some very extreme lefties whose beliefs are completely at odds with my own. However I also don’t agree with a lot of the Conservatives ideas. They absolutely bankrupted the country during Covid and whilst Labour would have no doubt done the same, that stands squarely at the feet of this government.

if not labour or conservatives then who?

After Truss? Johnson? They are already plotting to get rid of Sunak. The Tories don’t even like the Tories.

Tories are anti families, children, care, humanity.

Labour’s policies on all these things are fundamentally more humane and more socially democratic. For me, these things support women’s rights, and there is no doubt in my mind that a win for the Tories would make many women’s lives worse.

Neither party is fully clear on what they will or won’t do. But Labour is more pro rights. This makes a massive difference for me.

It is truly tragic what is happening to education, care and the NHS are no better. I can't believe that who uses a toilet is the Number 1 issue for people.

Can you please explain to me why referring to anyone by anything other than their biological sex isn't gaslighting?. Or how trying to force others to follow your lead in this respect isn't an attempt to coerce thought and speech?

You can toady to the demands of a sexually violent manipulative man if you wish - it doesn't mean that the rest of us have to.

Acknowledging that I=he is a "dangerous individual" means nothing if you are prepared to facilitate his fantasy of himself and allow him into women's spaces.

I was specifically curious as to why you accused me of 'gaslighting'?

Imagine labour get in.

That should bring shivers to everyone.

Apart from empty easy words, the Tories have done fuck all for women.

14 long years of nothing but corruption, a revolving door of useless PMs, feathering their own nests and destroying every service for women and children.

Vote for more of that? You are fucking joking me.

Thank god you only require women in England to vote Tory. Scotland Wales and N.Ireland women..... we are good to go

Yes I agree. I would rather vote for the monster raving looney party as they probably have more sensible policies than the tories or labour . Unfortunately they are not standing in my constituency (do they actually exist any more?). So with a heavy heart I will be voting Labour for a different shit show.

@Moonmelodies

It was May v Corbyn - shite & shiter. As it has transpired, May was probably the most honourable leader the Tories have had in the last 14 years.

Even in 2017, most people didn't know the shit show of Brexit as effectively nothing had changed. Lies were and are being spewed.

TBH, even I would have found it hard to vote for Corbyn. I voted for Lib Dem. Again, GE is not a referendum, you are not voting on 1 policy.

So screw the NHS, screw the dentist's, screw the GPS, screw the school's and the teachers, the paramedics, the mental health system and everything else that is screwed about the country.

No Tory party in N Ireland.