To want every women in England to vote Tory at the GR

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So I don't agree with Angela Rayner's description of the Tories as scum, but I get her drift and if she'd been more tempered in her language I probably would have bought in.

HOWEVER

For me - and actually should be got everyone - the only real issue at the next GE is freedom of speech/women's rights.

I see Labour as the destroyer of these and so must vote against them. The only meaningful way to do this is to vote Tory which I am reluctant but prepared to do.

Is this unreasonable?

Happy to be convinced - for real not just words - if there is evidence Labour (Starmer 1 in 1000 women have a dick) may see the light before the GE.

May took over and then then triggered our exit from the EU with no plan and Brexit Red Lines...

Make it work? hardly.

Boris then lied over Erasmus and being able to live or work in the EU, he stood up in Parliament and said "Nothing would change" (in these regards)

Brexit was and is a Tory policy, that has wrecked the UK and led to almost 1m additional people coming to our crowded Island every year but unlike EU workers (who now don't come to work in the UK) will never leave and they bring in huge numbers of dependants.

In the case of care workers, more dependants come in than actual carers.

If gender ideology were correct, and TW were actually women but born in the incorrect male body, you would expect TW to have the same offending patterns as women. They don't.

If most liberal, "live and let live" type people who hadn't followed the debate very closely (and this describes me a couple of years ago) were correct, you probably expect TW to have an offending pattern somewhere between men and women. They don't.

What we actually see is TW have a much higher rate of committing sex offences than men, and hundreds of times higher than women.

So no, I don't think Bryson or any other male should be in a male prison to "get what they deserve" I believe he should be in a male prison because he's male.

And when people like Bryson come out of prison, under a "modernised" GRC process as favoured by Labour, they will be able to become legally women and will have as much right to be in the majority of women's spaces as any of you do.

If you're in Australia why are you carrying on about the voting intentions of women in the UK and being so dismissive of child poverty here where the social structure is different?

My Tory MP got kicked out (eventually), because he was caught having a line or 2 of coke and sexually harassing a female researcher, what a guy. Oh and the MP in our neighbouring constituency is Jacob Rees-Mogg a prime example of a forward thinking person.

Voting for "the person, not the party" does not always bode well.

@Teateaandmoretea

The Brexit referendum was the outcome of Tory infighting, it was to placate the Tory backbenchers.
No other credible party had leaving the EU or a referendum on it, in their manifesto as they all knew it was a clusterfuck. And in the end the referendum was voted for by an uninformed public voting 'emotionally' being fed a tissue of lies.

Brexit was absolutely the fault of the Tories and factions thereof lying through their teeth - saying stuff, doing nothing

Isla Bryson is known as she.
Both you and I can see that she was clearly born a he.
Could you please explain to me why referring to a person by their preferred term is gaslighting, especially when I have already stated several times that she is a dangerous individual?

Oh gosh know. Tory's are the devil - lots of women's and childcare support services, can't go on because they left no money for anything. They just suck the live out of any community that isn't rich and shower the rich with money. Voting Tory is the worst thing you could do, I beg you to stay at home if you feel this way and you can't see how abusive this relationship is for you...

This.

Spot on.

@Underthinker I don't think Bryson should be in a female prison or a male prison as a normal inmate, rather segregated (and unless she has gender reassignment then in a male environment). Bryson is a horrific case, but is not representative of the 1000s of trans women wanting to live their lives.

Luckily for women who want to vote based on "sex based rights" they can also choose to vote Reform, SDP or Party for Women. They don't have to vote Conservative.

Reform, SDP and Party for Women all come with other issues (namely no coherent policies that are actually possible to implement) but there are alternatives out there

I didn't know the ability of a parent to do the most basic job of making lunches differed from country to country. Child poverty has nothing to do with whether the school spends money on childrens lunches or the parent makes a sandwich. I also trust the UK has welfare benefits, and food banks, and Social Services if a child looks like being in poverty.

He is a dangerous man. Not an "individual". Another in a long line of violent men. Language matters. Why do you feel the need to defend a violent rapist?

Seconded............completely and utterly right.

Bryson was noted because he was a 'live' (on trial) example of (to quote Sturgeon) "something that wouldn't happen" happening.

Self ID was set to remove the distinction that could be drawn between those with a GRC and those without.

It had less than fuck all to do with transgenderism (and thus transphobia) and everything to do with him being a man.

I'm just 😱 at the idea that the tories are the guardians of free speech. As for women's rights, talk to the women who are being shafted by universal credit or are trapped in abusive situations because there is so little support.

He is a he. You know it, I know it. So why do you put the preferred pronouns of a RAPIST above reality? You don't owe it to a rapist to 'be kind' to their preferred pronouns. Even many trans activists call transwomen rapists he. If they can do it, why can't you?

Can you really not see how it would hurt me, a rape victim, to see someone calling a rapist 'she'? Have a think a little. Why would you prefer to hurt a rape victim to placate a rapists 'preferred pronouns'. Just why. It does not hurt you to say he, and it means so much to victims on here such as myself, who are reading your words.

And yet in the subsequent 2017 GE the electorate had the opportunity to stop Brexit by voting for the one party that was committed to ending it.
The electorate chose overwhelming to continue with Brexit.

In that he is a man, he is a typical transwoman.

And yes - he could be overcome by superior strength - especially if he was ambushed. As were his victims overcome by his superior strength when he ambushed them.

We must not gorget THAT.

There are 50 week waits for gynecology appointments in my area. The Tory's are not on the side of women.

Like hell will I vote Tories, never have and never will vote them nor Labour.

I am a Tory voter.
Right now along with most of my friends, we have decided to stockpile the booze.
Labour will win we know that, however there isn't a person in that party who has the balls to sort things out. The shit show about to unroll is going to be gloriously bad.
You thought Brexit was bad, oh no.
But this will change politics and somewhere a proper lead will be discovered, after all with all the NEW MPs entering parliament 1 has got to have an IQ...

How do you feel knowing you voted this party into power?

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The self ID thing is such a distraction. Hardly anyone bothers to get a GRC anyway so it’s not going to change things hugely. The tories are the ones who proposed self-ID anyway probably because it’s cheaper for them and they dont need to provide MH support for people with gender dysphoria. Surely nobody can be that dumb that they think that this is the single most important issue facing women today?