To want every women in England to vote Tory at the GR

[Hurrydash]

So I don't agree with Angela Rayner's description of the Tories as scum, but I get her drift and if she'd been more tempered in her language I probably would have bought in.

HOWEVER

For me - and actually should be got everyone - the only real issue at the next GE is freedom of speech/women's rights.

I see Labour as the destroyer of these and so must vote against them. The only meaningful way to do this is to vote Tory which I am reluctant but prepared to do.

Is this unreasonable?

Happy to be convinced - for real not just words - if there is evidence Labour (Starmer 1 in 1000 women have a dick) may see the light before the GE.

I wonder if @Hurrydash will be back at any point?

I am starting to suspect Hurry may be a Labour supporter as she has done an excellent job in creating a thread absolutely chock full of reasons not to vote Tory!

Starmer and Ange send their thanks @Hurrydash

Anyone who thinks that the Tories give a fuck about female rights is, I'm sorry to be blunt, an idiot.

As is anyone who looks at their track record in the last 14 years and thinks "yeah, some more of that please".

We're past reasonable debate and logic for anyone who continues to vote tory at this point.

And as for voting for the person, my tory MP:

-Broke lockdown rules
-Mocked people on twitter who were concerned about their houses flooding
-Voted for brexit having publically said it had no positive benefits
-Ignored constituents when they directly asked for help when large parts of his area went without power or water for 10 days
-Supports the building of nuclear power in scotland when he has admitted that Scotland, already as a net exporter of power, has no need for it but England needs it.

So no, fuck him.

*She

(Let's leave it at that).

He's only one of the examples "wheeled out" by GCs. There are plenty more both here and abroad.

And of course Isla Bryson is no more typical of transwomen than Fred West is typical of men. But when a violent offender is sent to prison they should be sent to the one that corresponds to their sex not their idea of which sex they wish they'd been born.

I cannot fathom how you can say Labour will erode women's rights. What planet are you on? They are so pro women to the point of almost excluding men.

They are all scum - Labour and Tories.

YABU because women need to decide which brand of scum they dislike the least and vote with their consciences.

No, HTH.

So women who don't want violent men in womens prisons are 'transphobes'?

Seriously? Do yourealise how ignorant, uneducated, narrow-minded and overly simplistic that sounds.

No. That is a man.

re Brexit both parties were pro-remain. Whatever party the in power was going to have to try and make Brexit work.

let’s not re-write history.

Yes, there may well be other examples like her.
There are also lots of other male examples like Fred West.
I don't think sending Isla to a male or female prison without segregation would work, she is potentially at risk in one and a risk in the other. Some might say 'she will get what she deserves' in a male prison but that really isn't the way forward.

Hmmmm. If “free speech” is the biggest issue facing women in your view, it shows how utterly out of touch you are with reality.

YABU i would rather vote for the bloke dressed as a bin than vote Tory

Are you really going to waste time with this?
You call her what you like.

HE is unlikely to "get what she deserves" because HE is a 6'4" violent thug who can well handle himself in or out of prison.

Men like that never seem to get what they deserve, unfortunately.

And the Torys are?!

HE

This is not a 'she' in anyone's language:

And it's deeply offensive to rape/DV survivors to gaslight and say he is a 'she'. Think about the impact your words have on survivors. You are not obligated to call a rapist 'she', you don't have to 'be kind' to a rapist. But you can choose to be kind to victims reading your words.

Actually Isla Bryson is very typical of male prisoners held in women’s prisons. Obviously he is not not at all typical of female prisoners, and should never have been held in the women’s estate, segregated or otherwise.

The line that this case is ‘wheeled out’ because of transphobia is ridiculous and doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. I can’t think of any motivation except misogyny, ignorance, or a combination of the two.

She was/is violent, and can no doubt defend herself up to a point, that's probably true. If she was attacked/ambushed by several people it may be a different story.
As already stated, she isn't a typical trans woman, and while there may be other similar cases there are also lots of biological males who are just as much a threat to women. We must not forget that.

🤣🤣 it’s not April fools yet!

I said she wasn't a typical trans woman, yet she's always discussed in relation to trans women in general. She is a dangerous person, clearly, but most trans women are not dangerous.
Transphobia is real, and diverting to sensationalist cases doesn't help anyone.

He. Is. A. Biological. Male.

Do you really think that the Tories care about women? or anyone else?

14 years later and they have destroyed everything in this country while making a fortune for themselves and their rich mates.

Rivers and seas full of shit, huge drop in standards of living, NHS falling apart, billions wasted on mad schemes like Rwanda and the Dido Harding's fiasco, dangerous move to the far right, funding cuts everywhere, energy companies bosses allowed to get massive bonuses while people can't heat their home, the Brexit disaster ...

The Tories deserve to be obliterated for what they have done.

All I can think of about your thread: slow day at Tory HQ so the interns have been drafted to post inane stuff online to try to desperately avoid the election disaster that the nasty party rightly faces.

You.are.entitled.to.call.someone.what.you.choose.
This.has.already.been.stated.

Since the Tories have been in power, satisfaction with the NHS has gone down from 70% to 24%.

I wouldn't vote Tory if you paid me £1 million.