To want every women in England to vote Tory at the GR

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So I don't agree with Angela Rayner's description of the Tories as scum, but I get her drift and if she'd been more tempered in her language I probably would have bought in.

HOWEVER

For me - and actually should be got everyone - the only real issue at the next GE is freedom of speech/women's rights.

I see Labour as the destroyer of these and so must vote against them. The only meaningful way to do this is to vote Tory which I am reluctant but prepared to do.

Is this unreasonable?

Happy to be convinced - for real not just words - if there is evidence Labour (Starmer 1 in 1000 women have a dick) may see the light before the GE.

Women fought for a right to vote and to equally not, that's how I see it. And I'd rather use my vote as a protest in some way as opposed to voting for someone who goes against my views and beliefs as what I'd like for a functioning society.

I have huge respect and love and gratitude to the women who made my vote possible and at least some protest shows I give a fuck, which I do. But I can't in good consciousness vote for a party who have damaged, or who will damage the lives of women and children anywhere in the world.

I think of Palestinians and this quote ⬇️ and cannot vote for any party that allows genocide.

~ I am not free while any woman is unfree, even if her shackles are very different from my own - audre lorde ~

Its an important issue but other issues are more important to me.

I finally have a chance to see off the local SNP MP - lowering the threat of independence and the end of the Nationalist One-Party State in Scotland - this is by far the most important thing to me.

Followed by the economy, crime, NHS and education.

I will be voting Labour.

It might not be the biggest issue per se, and it clearly isn't. But for some women, it is the biggest issue to them. And that should be respected even if you don't agree with them.

First post nails it as usual!

'Threat'
Some folk would call that 'opportunity'.
I would say that despite thinking independence is (probably) a good idea, I am under no illusion it would be an instant magic bullet or that the SNP would be the best leaders of an independent Scotland.

If you think tories would be good for women perhaps you need to think a bit more

The tories have been in power for the last 14 years - during which time things have got harder , especially for women

Medicine shortages , HRT particularly affected
Childcare costs , lack of social care , lack of mental health care , problems in education all affect women more than men

The tories know what a woman is - it's the ones you shit on first

At least you’re not a Scottish woman OP.

To all the women who are voting Tory due to this one issue, genuinely, please can you tell what the Tories have done (not said) to make you believe them?

It's just that the Tories have a lot of form for 'saying' things but delivering nothing:
Brexit - they said it would be really easy and we would be richer - it wasn't and we aren't
Partygate
Dealing with immigration - not the boats, legal immigration
HS2 - effectively now torpedoing forever the north to get a high speed network
Levelling Up - inequality is worse now

Genuinely what have the Tories 'done' on the gender debate that make you think they are so much better than other parties

Of course we should respect that people feel strongly about certain issues (even if sometimes they are misinformed on those issues), I don't think anyone has said we shouldn't.

Bore off

Don't vote for the party vote for the person, Conservative/Labour/Libdem; almost all current party MPs are troughers or idiots or both or worse. There are some honourable exceptions in each party if your MP is one them vote for her/him. Otherwise vote for an independent and try to break the big party model.

That's what I would like to see

What's wrong with being a Scottish woman?

The Tories may claim to know what a woman is, but what the fuck have they done for us in the last 15 years? Fuck all. Absolutely not. No thanks.

And I would respect anyone who chooses not to vote for a party for genuine ethical reasons.

But taking your analogy, say you had one party that had one racist policy that black people should sit at the back of buses. I would completely understand someone saying that they couldn't vote for such a party. What I would not understand is why that same person would instead advocate on favour of voting for a party that had been shitting over the rights of black people in multiple ways for the last 14 years. Where is the ethics in that?

People who care about women's rights have two options. One is to vote for a party which has a dubious record on women's rights. The other is to not vote at all. Personally, I will never waste my vote, so I have to choose between the parties which have all let women down in multiple ways. I will not be choosing the Tories.

I’m not sure Isla Bryson is the best example since she was segregated until a risk assessment was done and then transferred to a male one once it had been done.

Don’t you also smell a rat when a party makes plans that it doesn’t think it will be in a position to deliver?

Whether it’s Rwanda or childcare, at this point the Tories are really just laying markers so that they can say what they would have done if they had been in government.

Women's rights are far more under threat under this government than would be under one with another party. Look at what has happened to the police and justice system, look at some of the men that the Tories have as MPs and a former leader, as examples.

The question should be who you vote for instead. This may not be the same depending on your constituency and which nation you are in.

Oh don't be ruining the narrative with pesky facts, rafa

It would be a cold day in hell before I vote for the scum tories. Do you honestly think they care about women?

She's the example all the transphobes wheel out, yet we all know that Isla Bryson is not a typical trans woman. Of course she is a danger, and she should have been segregated from the start (and potentially kept that way).

That is how I vote. I vote for the person who is going to do good in my area.

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You are being ridiculous. Not everyone is obsessed by this. You must do as you see fit. But don't expect the rest of us to follow you over the cliff.

Our luck Tory lot occasionally do good stuff. Local person is decent, pushes for action on matters, and gets things done.
I still wouldn't vote for the party. Nationally, they're terrible.

I'm in Scotland, governed by a (relatively far) left leaning government.

Scotgov will very vociferously debate issues such as gender recognition and rights thereof whilst addressing none of the issues that affect normal working people (health, education, infrastructure - their record on these is piss poor).

Scotland is no longer an aspirational place to live, indeed it's seen as almost shameful to aspire and have ambition; we had an excellent rep on higher education for example, but not now.

We are days away from another dictatorial law coming into practice in the shape of the hate crime law (aka thought policing), which gives greater protections to men in dresses pretending to be women than it does actual women. It'll be a disaster, and probably quietly shelved like their last two overreaching, dystopian laws (the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications Act 2012 and the Children and Young People Act 2014). Sadly though, it won't be shelved without lots of people being unfairly criminalised (as happened with the OBFC law).

The SNP is full of flawed MP's and MSP's. They're no different to the Johnson government in their do as I say, not as I do governance. In many ways they're worse, given that they pertain to be holier than thou.

So people should at least know that voting Labour is not just a protest vote. You'll be subject to their policy for the next 5 years. The tories have a poor record, however I think Sunak is a better leader (and PM) than Starmer will be. I just wish there was an alternative that was actually appealing.