To want every women in England to vote Tory at the GR

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So I don't agree with Angela Rayner's description of the Tories as scum, but I get her drift and if she'd been more tempered in her language I probably would have bought in.

HOWEVER

For me - and actually should be got everyone - the only real issue at the next GE is freedom of speech/women's rights.

I see Labour as the destroyer of these and so must vote against them. The only meaningful way to do this is to vote Tory which I am reluctant but prepared to do.

Is this unreasonable?

Happy to be convinced - for real not just words - if there is evidence Labour (Starmer 1 in 1000 women have a dick) may see the light before the GE.

But it won’t work. The Tories have been underfunding the current childcare plans including their extension for years and years. The money they are using to covers this expansion will underfund childcare providers even more. Literally everyone knows this isn’t going to work and will involve childcare providers going out of business so they can’t afford to run. Or keeping the business open but not offering free places.

It was a gimmick by the Tories to win some popularity (obviously not a successful one). There’s no reason Labour should be forced to run with a flawed plan that anyone can see through.

You lack critical thinking skills

It’s too early to formulate a better response other then get a fucking grip.

No I won't vote for them even though due to age I am regularly accused of being a Tory voter.

I think Lee Anderson’s comments about Eddie Izzard (that he wouldn’t follow him into a toilet) tell you a lot about general Tory Party understanding of this issue.

He doesn’t seem to understand that the problem is not that Eddie Izzard is trans, but that he is male, and he certainly has no interest in accommodating GNC men in male spaces.

@Matronic6 @DaisyDaisyDaisyDaisyDaisyDaisy

Okay, so you've both got an issue with me spoiling my ballot, yet I have nobody who represents me, give me your suggestions? I'm all ears.

And matronic I have emailed my local mp repeatedly, I've talked to her whilst canvassing repeatedly, I attend demonstrations on the issues that matter to me, what else do you and your infinite wisdom recommend to make changes?
Because I'm not voting for parties who not only are complicit in genocide and allowing children in my local constituency go hungry, (no I don't volunteer at a food bank, but I do buy for them, I do make up lunches for local kids clubs at half terms when needed and my DS and I do batch cooking for homeless people locally when we can, we are also hugely involved in other things community based, so I'm not sitting back and moaning without doing something when I can, I'm not as active as I was, however I'm still trying) but I'm not voting for the decimation of women and children.

Tell me what I should do as opposed to your snappy, aggressive and pointless comments?

Unless you don't have answers as to what I can do and just fancied being aibu vipers because that's your morning excitement?

I eagerly await your suggestions.

I have to believe that this is a troll or a post by someone from Conservative HQ because it’s hard to cope with the idea that someone could genuinely be so stupid as to think that any potential GRA reform is the only issue that threatens women. Tory policies and their handling of the economy has done far more to damage women’s rights and the inequality we face than the GRA has/will do. The idea that we should vote for that to continue simply so the Labour Party don’t reform the GRA - which is far from likely anyway, is bonkers. And stupid. And I say that as a staunchly GC woman.

All men do not have access to female spaces and they won’t under Labour.

Yes they do. All they have to say is they 'identify' as a woman. It is already happening now!

Labour have made it clear they will not support self ID.

Self ID is already in. To them, TWAW. And based only on say-so of the male. That, is Self-ID. And it's what Labour supports.

Saying all men will have access to all female only spaces under Labour is a lie.

No it's the TRUTH. As long as ANY man says he 'identifies' as a woman (for the 30 minutes or whatever time he wants to be in that space), he...is....in!

Prisons do not and will not.

They do (Isla Bryson) and will.

Sports can legally exclude trans people due to birth sex. This is already clear in law and was made so by Labour. It’s up to each sporting organisation to do this.

It shouldn't be up to any sporting organisation, it should be a blanket rule, made by the government.

No one polices toilets. It is not socially acceptable for just any men to walk into female toilets. It won’t be under Labour. Either way there is nothing actually stoping someone ‘dressing up as as a woman’ and going into toilets for bad purposes. No government is likely to stop every eventuality.

We shouldn't have to police them. We never did have to. But while it is nominally not socially acceptable or just any men to walk into them, the fact is that now we cannot call any obvious male out, because if we do, we are called 'transphobic'. There used to be a time that if a male entered, granny could hit him with her walking stick or women could shout at him and create a noise and he'd flee. Those days are long gone. In fact, there was a case at a swimming centre where an 80 year old great grand mother called out a male in the female change rooms. Guess what? She was banned from swimming there. That's right. She was. The ability to call out men in female spaces is looonnnggg gone. It is socially unacceptable to call out men in womens spaces now.

Rape and sexual assault groups and care providers can exclude people based on birth sex if it’s a proportionate means to achieve a legitimate aim this is already law. Made so by Labour.

They can but unfortunately too many/most don't choose that. There needs to be a law passed that says rape and sexual assault groups MUST (not can, must) provide single sex only spaces and care if asked.

As so often happens here, the first post absolutely nails it.

If you think the Tories are the friends of women you are so wrong. If you think they’ll come out with populist policies to appeal to the electorate whilst not actually caring, then you would be right.

I can relate to what you are saying regarding the struggle to find anyone I would consider actually voting for, and can see where you are coming from with spoiling the ballot. The thing is that while we fought for the right to vote, we also fought for choice, and at the moment you feel like that's one of the few realistic choices. It's not a great situation but it's an honest one.

I posted a question asking what Labour would do to improve the NHS, education, poverty etc and was very quickly schooled by a few posters that this can't be answered as the manifestos haven't been released. This being the case how can those of you saying you will vote for Labour know what you're voting for?

I don't believe anything is going to get better any time soon regardless of who is in power. I'd love to vote Labour, I'm like a poster person for who should traditionally vote for them but I just can't bring myself to do it.

No thank you.

The tories ARE scum and know this is a huge vote winner. Don’t think they wouldn’t go back on their promises/ screw women over at the drop of a hat if they thought it would help them in some way.

I respect people who will vote Labour for the reasons given. It’s also a reasonable position to recognise there are some issues where a party’s position may be so unethical, so morally wrong, that that alone is enough to withdraw your support. Say you had a party that had loads of brilliant policies but included one racist policy that black people should sit at the back of buses. Whatever else they said, and however shit the other party was, it would be reasonable to not support that party on the basis of that one policy alone.

Some hills truly are worth fighting and dying on. Not all hills. But women’s sex-based rights is one of them.

•My kid has been mostly out of school for the best part of 3 years because he has been refused sen provision

•I've another child who's been on a waiting list for over a year be seen for mental health issues.

•My good friend is dying from a cancer diagnosed too late and too much time in between diagnosis and treatment.

•I can barely afford my mortgage payment, can barely afford food.

•My public sector job has been stripped back to bare bones staff so we're now working 3 roles in one.

But sure, I'll vote Tory on a hypothetical.

Go fuck yourself

In fairness, neither the Tories nor Labour have any meaningful presence in NI. So we don't even get to vote for the decision makers. Fun fun.

Yes they do. All they have to say is they 'identify' as a woman. It is already happening now!

Have I transported to an alternative reality where the Tories haven’t been in government since 2010?

Go fuck yourself. I'd rather shit in my bed and roll around in it like a dirty little pig than vote tory. You must be sitting on a pretty penny to even consider voting for a party that has decimated this country. Bleeding it dry like vampires. Fucking grim anyway even considers voting for them.

But it isn't fiscally sound. Many nurseries are facing closure as they are in financial deficit. The tories themselves still haven't worked out a way to fund, even though there is glaringly obvious solution.

It is not the lifeline you think it is as many parents are not able to get a place and if the actual nurseries are to be believed there will be ven less places due to closures. When it comes to thing like this, childcare, education etc always listen to the workers. They know the impact better than anyone else and are usually ignored.

The children in my class have to do all their work in the dark because I can't turn the lights on in my classroom due to a leaking roof making it dangerous. You can see the water collecting in the lights.

The children in my class who desperately need intervention to help them understand basic maths can't have it because there is only me and 32 children 33% of which have SEN including severe SEMH needs and the resulting behaviour.

The children in my class have to do computing in small groups while the rest of the class do a holding activity because school can't afford a good enough Internet connection for even one class to all connect at one time.

The children in my class don't have access to times table rockstars, or mathletics etc etc because school can't pay for them.

The children in my class are lucky to have music lessons because I can read and understand music. School can no longer afford the subscription to charanga for non specialists.

The children in my class will be missing out on the traditional end of year year 5/6 performance because we can't afford the performance licence. The infants will not do a nativity play other than one written by the teachers and sing away in a manger.

The children in my school soon won't have any TAs in class as the only EHCP children who get one to one funding have such a high level of need that they can't be in the classroom and there are no spaces available in specialist provision. The remaining class TAs (including in reception and nursery) are being made redundant from July.

So please excuse me if I won't vote Tory because you don't want to use a unisex toilet.

Edited for typo

Yeah go on, vote Tories so they can completely destroy the country 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️
on some theoretical note that labour are “free speech destroyers”
what a load of tosh

Never. Not a chance.

Vote for lying cheating lawbreaking scumbags because YOU feel defeminised by trans women? Hell no.

YAB so fucking U I cannot even.

I am increasingly gender critical and increasingly perturbed by the direction of travel of tran activism and the effects on women and girls. However this is not remotely the biggest threat faced by women and girls as a whole. The Tories are anti-women almost by definition, an have decimated the public services on which women and children heavily rely, both as workers and as service users, and will continue to do so as long as they are in power. As someone above said, if they know what a woman is, it's only so as they can fuck her over. Any woman who votes Tory, unless she in the top 10% in terms of wealth, is a turkey voting for Christmas.

Most of these policy changes aren't made at a governmental level. They are policies made by workplaces, universities, schools and hospitals. It's only in the last couple of years that the gender debate has gained mainstream political attention. The question is who will resist it and who will accelerate it?