To want every women in England to vote Tory at the GR

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So I don't agree with Angela Rayner's description of the Tories as scum, but I get her drift and if she'd been more tempered in her language I probably would have bought in.

HOWEVER

For me - and actually should be got everyone - the only real issue at the next GE is freedom of speech/women's rights.

I see Labour as the destroyer of these and so must vote against them. The only meaningful way to do this is to vote Tory which I am reluctant but prepared to do.

Is this unreasonable?

Happy to be convinced - for real not just words - if there is evidence Labour (Starmer 1 in 1000 women have a dick) may see the light before the GE.

This! I cannot conceive how anyone could look at the state of the country and think “ah yes, another 5 years of this please!”

Vote green.im not voting Labour.not all greens support erosion of women's rights

YANBU I will be voting Tory with you OP

Starmer is a joke and couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. Together with Angela (female women and male women) Rayner, it's a horrible prospect, although seems inevitable at this point

Absolutely this!!

Can somebody tell me what Labour will do to change the nhs, education, child poverty etc please? I can't seem to find anything definitive.

I'm not sure who I'll vote for. I can't see the situatuons with the big issues getting betting under either of the main parties. Things are just so bad. I do think the nhs will have to be privatised more than it already is.

There just isn't enough money to help everyone and I say this as a woman, living in one of the poorest towns in the UK with a severly disabled child who cannot work because of lack of support services (he can't access wrap around care or holiday clubs etc/ appointments and meetings make term time untenable). I'd love to vote Labour but I think they'll make everything worse and pull thd country into more issues.

I honestly don't think any party has what's best for women at its core
I absolutely can't vote Tory in for more of this
No way will I vote labour, obviously
So what's left
Fuck all

I never have and never will vote Tory. I’m not saying Labour are a good option because they aren’t but under this government everything I as a woman relied on in this country has gone to shit anyway. I left my teaching job to care for my disabled DD because there are no other care options to access for her. I also partly left teaching because it had become unbearable and my mental health was awful. Education, NHS, childcare all failing. The covid antics. The Rwanda and small boat policies are absolutely shocking. The one thing they used to be strong on, the economy, falling apart. So I don’t agree with Labour on woman’s rights however I feel lots of my rights are already being eroded anyway. Tories are only coming out with the gender stuff to try and make women ignore all the crap they have already done to screw us over.

ALL the Greens in Scotland support the erosion of women's rights.

Love him or loathe him, I don’t think there is any evidence of incompetence. He’s a highly successful barrister. You don’t get to that point by being a ‘joke’. Boris on the other hand….

People with views like this scare me. The Tories don’t give a shit about women’s rights. They are cynically using the latest women’s rights movement to further their popularity with useful idiots and with bigots.

I’m appalled by treatment of children with off-label use of hormone blockers, men in women’s sports and disregard of women’s bodily boundaries.

I’m also appalled by increasing inequality, poverty, and the collapse of the NHS and social care systems, all of which adversely affect women.

@Perzival really? So better the devil you know, which has taken opportunities away from you and your child over 14 years? What do you think Tories will do instead?

Why would they release their manifesto before the election is announced?

I can't do it, the Tories are already damaging women so much (during poverty, women suffer more, and women's health is chronically underfunded).

Starmer is a risk because of his party's stance on women having penises, and their awful record on free speech, but we need a credible party to sort out social inequality, which I very much hope they'll get working on.

I'm a member of the Labour Party, albeit through gritted teeth at the moment, and have signed the Labour Women's Declaration. I support Rosie Duffield. She's not the only GC Labour MP, and I suspect Starmer/Rayner will struggle to get a change to the Equalities Act through the Commons, never mind the Lords. They might not even manage to get something through on changing the process for a GRC (removing medical diagnosis safeguards) as there's such a lot of dissent on this, even from within their own party.

I don't think yabu for caring about women's rights, but I do think yabvu for a) making your voting decision on one single issue, and b) not looking at the wider picture, that the Conservative's actions in power have not improved things for women either.

I always used to vote Conservative but stopped as I can't forgive them for Brexit, nor for the fact that all the moderate Conservatives I respected (including my local MP) seem to have left. The current cohort seem morally bankrupt, too right wing, and mostly just interested in themselves.

I'll be voting for whoever is most likely to beat them in my area.

Even if you're willing to ignore all the harm done to women due to the economic policies of this government particularly the madness that cause mortgages to go through the roof, the 2 child cap, the "rape clause" the obligates a victim of rape to disclose this in order to feed her children, the run down of local authority budgets to an unmanageable degree because of cuts to grants (these cuts disproportionately harm women who are higher users of council services particularly if they are mothers, they are also more likely to be employed in the public sector and at risk of redundancy) your position is unreasonable.

So you're a single issue voter and they only thing you care about is the legal definition of womanhood, transgender self ID and single sex spaces. Ok
Fact 1: Tories have been in power since 2010.
Fact 2: In 2018 it was the Tory government are the government who proposed the reform of the Gender Recognition Act to remove the need for a diagnosis of gender dysphoria and move to a self ID system.

Whatever grandstanding the Tory front bench now play with headline catching statements to keep this issue front and centre their actual policies and decisions taken while in power lead to the shit show in the first place.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9079/#:~:text=It%20focused%20on%20the%20process,people%20to%20achieve%20legal%20recognition.

I don’t think manifestos are out for any party yet are they? No GE called yet.

What about all the damage to women's rights happening now? Self ID, men in women's shelters, sports and changing rooms have all happened under the Tories. So, what difference does it make, really?

I'm the same re: Labour - this is a one policy vote for me.

However - not Tory. They\ve had the chance to clarify and sort this issue have haven't - they have sat on the fence so long they corrupt, self-serving arses must be full of splinters.

If the re is a Wman's Party candidate, she'll get my vote, otherwise I'd be hoping for an independent or Reform.

All of the main parties are beyond redemption when it comes to this issue, and I think the best we can hope for is a hung parliament where they all hate each other so much they won't let Labour push anything through (because very sadly, I think Labour, with all their faults, are going to win).

Nothing, NOTHING, will induce me to vote Tory at the election. I will vote whichever way is most likely to assist in getting them out. I am ashamed of where we as a country have come to while they are in power....and still getting away with it.

Btw the introduction of photo ID as a supposed measure to deter voter impersonation (a rare or arguably non-existent issue) is a transparent ploy to disenfranchise people or deter them from voting. It is costly and will disproportionately affect certain demographics eg the poor/disabled - who may be less likely to vote Tory. So imo they introduced it primarily to attempt to skew the election in their favour. Which makes me very very angry.

The only reason the Tories have hopped on this bandwagon is because in their ever-increasingly desperate attempts to hold on to power, they’ve decided that culture wars are the last remaining avenue for them to stoke up support from those too stupid to realise their true motivations. If you’re one of those people, more fool you. This generation of Tories have done nothing to make life better for women. Nothing.

People here are confusing several issue “types”: ones for which there are reasonable arguments either way, even if you disagree with the other side (Brexit), those about the effectiveness of provision and delivery (public services), which are important but are mainly about competence, and issues for which there is simply one ethical side of the debate (female-only spaces), with some parties choosing the wrong side of it.

It seems reasonable to differentiate between policies you may disagree with and ones which are actually unethical, and attach weight accordingly.

It’s a tongue in cheek one. I’m Scottish.

You are having a lsugh.

I prefered Corbyn but many hated him. " coz anti semitism " In the meantime Israel are starving Gaza into submission...a land that dosn't even belong to them!
But yeah...anti semitism.
Slightly off point but most people voted Tory in the past coz Corbyn whilst totally shafting themselves.

Maybe OP realises that it is only England that tends to have a Tory majority?

More likely though she is one of those annoying people who thinks England=UK. Maybe she lives overseas?🤔

Completely agree with this.