To want every women in England to vote Tory at the GR

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So I don't agree with Angela Rayner's description of the Tories as scum, but I get her drift and if she'd been more tempered in her language I probably would have bought in.

HOWEVER

For me - and actually should be got everyone - the only real issue at the next GE is freedom of speech/women's rights.

I see Labour as the destroyer of these and so must vote against them. The only meaningful way to do this is to vote Tory which I am reluctant but prepared to do.

Is this unreasonable?

Happy to be convinced - for real not just words - if there is evidence Labour (Starmer 1 in 1000 women have a dick) may see the light before the GE.

How so what?

She could lose her seat (hopefully), if she doesn’t bail out first for a cushy public appointment.

I too am deeply concerned at the possibility of a Labour government. If you read a little into this 'gender' and 'queer theory' they are promoting, it will mean the destruction of the traditional family and removing women's rights.
I'm not voting Labour.

@KeinLiebeslied54321 does every party allow child poverty?

So you don’t even live here, and you are trying to tell people how to vote based on what you imagine might be happening in women’s toilets on the other side of the world??

Your ill-informed opinion isn’t wanted.

That's an incredibly simplistic view.

If you vote Conservative for this reason then you have fallen for their culture war hook line and sinker. If you think they care one iota for women’s rights you are wrong. They know it’s a vote winner, once they don’t need your vote any longer they will care even less.

Nothing else than YABU!

As a person who isn’t white. I definitely would never vote Tory.

Actually International opinions are wanted, and welcomed.

@TinySaltLick no I'm not saying that other parties don't wish for a prosperous nation, of course they do. The distinction I'm making is between failing to meet a worthy goal (which I can forgive) and actively pursuing an unethical goal. Incompetence vs malice.

You can want whatever you like.

Fortunately, the majority of women will be intelligent enough to recognise that the Tories don't give a shit about women's rights. If in any doubt about this, they will only need to look back at the Tories' record while in government.

I think the Tories believe that they have spotted an opportunity to exploit the gender issue, and they're trying their very best to push this. Some will no doubt be gullible enough to fall for it, but I firmly believe that most voters have more sense.

Well, can you think of a (modern) time where there hasn't been quite shocking child poverty stats and areas with crazy levels of deprivation?

@KeinLiebeslied54321 so you don't actually have any stats. You're just coming up with rubbish

It's quite clear the country is a mess and that the Tory party is eating itself from the inside out. Labour has a mix of continuing Tory plans and adding in their own version of crazy. Greens and Lib Dems also not pro women. Although I am in England, it's clear that the other main parties that sit in the HoC are similarly batshit when it comes to women. So I will be voting independent and if the independent candidates are similarly shit I will spoil my ballot. Imagine what would happen if every constituency voted independent??

Labour could propose to lock every single woman up in mixed sex prisons and I would still never vote Tory.

Don't understand those that do. This thread is batshit. No one should be voting on a single issue. No party is perfect but to ignore ALL the other horrific shit that the Tories do (and to women I might add) because 'they know what a woman is' is stupidity. I care about the erosion of womens rights, but I also care about the NHS, housing, corruption, the EU, basic standards in public life, childcare, education...And I loathe the Tory position on all of those things.

Do you honestly think womens rights aren't universal? Do you honestly think men entering womens spaces stops at the border of one country? Have you ever commented on women living under the Talibanic Afghanistan? If so, that makes you a hypocrite as you 'don't live there'.

It is you that is ill-informed.

Hopefully MNHQ will move everything to politics so we don't have to constantly read the same post from the same poster.

I respectfully disagree.

The Tory policies of asset stripping Britain have plunged a lot more women into poverty than men. Women are disproportionately affected when our public services are destroyed as they have been.

I do care about women losing our spaces to men but it can’t be the single issue to vote on. The Tories have been too destructive to possibly be allowed to get in again for a long time.

All this crap has happened under 14 years of Tory government. Why do you think their actions will better match their words in future. Women have been done over in so many ways, not least picking up underfunded health and social care. They are no real friends of women they just spout words that make it sound like they care.

This really

Totally UNREASONABLE.

We're had 14 years of the Tories fucking over the UK for their personal gain. Utter madness to want more of that.

Can you answer my question?
It's not rubbish to say our child poverty stats, which are out there, are shocking. Yes, some parties have made attempts (eg SNP introducing the extra weekly Child Payment), but it never seems to really address the issues properly. Dealing with child poverty involves addressing so many other issues too.

This is a daft thread because politics is always about more than one issue. And the Tories are not a particularly feminist bunch.

What do you think Starmer is going to do? The Tories ignored women’s concerns for as long as possible and (with a handful of exceptions) were happy to hold the TWAW line until the reality of legislation forced a rethink.

Since then they have realised that they can exploit the issue, but that doesn’t mean that as a party they actually care about women’s rights. (Probably why they were happy to ignore the concerns of feminists for so long and turned a blind eye to what was happening in prisons)

When writing legislation, Starmer is faced with the same realities that stopped the Conservatives from passing their proposed self ID bill.

YABU to say that the NHS, the cost of living, education, housing, the economy etc. aren't real issues.

I'm fact it feels very privileged of you to say so. I'm guessing you've never struggled to pay your bills or feed your family if you think that's something that shouldn't matter to people.