To want every women in England to vote Tory at the GR

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So I don't agree with Angela Rayner's description of the Tories as scum, but I get her drift and if she'd been more tempered in her language I probably would have bought in.

HOWEVER

For me - and actually should be got everyone - the only real issue at the next GE is freedom of speech/women's rights.

I see Labour as the destroyer of these and so must vote against them. The only meaningful way to do this is to vote Tory which I am reluctant but prepared to do.

Is this unreasonable?

Happy to be convinced - for real not just words - if there is evidence Labour (Starmer 1 in 1000 women have a dick) may see the light before the GE.

What a loaded post.
I am really sorry to hear you were raped, that said a rape survivor could absolutely be phobic in other ways, including as a transphobe!

The Tories have overseen a collapse in SEN provision that means my 11 year old has no secondary school place in September and I'm facing months of legal fights. I've had to give up work and all the independence that brings. And you think they care about women's rights? They do not give a fuck.

Do I think Labour will fix all this? No idea. But I definitely don't want to risk leaving it in the hands of the current shower of shits.

@concernedchild because some of us remember the awful child poverty under labour.

Ten years in to Tony Blair a rule and i remember a distressing documentary about children living in poverty. Ten years in.

I thought last night's cat 🐈 protector won this year's crazy prize but then I see this thread and realise there's always someone more crazy.

If you genuinely think the Tory party are good for women and girls you've been walking around with your eyes shut for the past 14 years.

If they wanted to improve things they would have done so by now.

They have run the country into the ground. The only people they have benefited is their rich mates. The rest of us are royally screwed.

@NotInAnyLifetime

There was sen provision before?
Really?
Our school wouldn't even recognise dc sen because it's not fair on other dc. Google unions /labour and diagnosing sen!

So, the neo-Conservatives (Gove et al) are using the following dog whistles:

Stupid Men - We'll be sending loads of flights to Rwanda.
Stupid Women - We respect you, your rights and we know what a woman is.

Gotcha!!

You’re totally right.
Fuck the fact that we are being crushed by a cost of living crisis.

Fuck the fact that mortgages & rents are fast becoming unaffordable for everyone because tories decided to play dice with the economy based on nothing more than hubris.

Fuck the fact that people are going hungry & cold to pay for energy rates we are told are necessary whilst shareholders (tories & Tory pals) are getting record profits.

Fuck the fact that privatised services like trains can price gouge with impunity because the greed is good ethos of thatcher has come alive more in the last decade than it did whilst she was in power and makes public transport inaccessible for many.

Fuck the fact the NHS has purposely been stripped for parts to facilitate a US style payment system which will benefit tories & Tory mates.

Fuck the fact that that those elected to lead us in recent years have been and encourage a level of dishonesty, greed, corruption, vanity, ego & self centeredness so deep that the U.K. is considered the boor at every political or trade table & to be avoided wherever possible.

What passed for community in this country has been decimated by a ‘me first, fuck you’ attitude espoused by the Tories. Every facet of life of is poorer than it was when they came into power. They do not care about the rights of anyone except themselves.

The fact you think they are going to somehow ‘protect’ the rights of women is laughable when women are disproportionately affected by what now passes for ‘normal’ under the Tories.

Tell yourself you are voting Tory for ‘women’ all you want - you are voting for yourself from a comfortable bubble of privilege. Meanwhile other women are being crushed by actual issues like poverty, caring responsibilities, disability, discrimination in the work place, childcare costs and the weight of day to day living in a country decimated by a bunch of greedy sociopaths.

Tories DO know what a woman is - a pocket to pick and someone who will somehow still make sure her family eats, her relatives are cared for, and the bills are paid even if she has to go hungry, so the Tories can continue on their merry way, laughing all the way to their offshore accounts.

Great.

Another thing to blame women for if enough fall for the idea that voting Tory will in anyway improve women's rights. Because in the event of revolution they won't be checking which women voted in the shitshow again, it will be all women. Baying mobs with nothing left to lose at the end of their ropes tend not to discriminate.

And the outcome? Female population reduced, and survivors re-enacting the Handmaid's Tale.

I feel a dystopia novel coming on.

And Labour will probably massively put up taxes on working families who are already struggling to pay for it all and increase tax on their inheritance.

I'm interested in all these struggling families who are nonetheless going to be able to leave a massive inheritance for their kids to pay tax on.

The idea that other parties don't wish for a prosperous nation is such a nonsense notion.

The tory goal - which they have achieved - is the enrichment of a few to the detriment of the majority of the population.

If you are trying to use an economic only argument, almost every measure - if not all - has shown this to have failed.

The tories know they are on the cusp of the most humiliating loss in recent history so can say anything they like - it's a rat infested sinking ship. They have held onto barely a shred of any promise made the last 14 years - and excuse making on their behalf in this way is embarrassing

The whole point of the freedom you speak of is that people have the power to vote for whomever they choose!
I think we can decide for ourselves, thanks, and it's more important that we actually vote at all.

So that was in 2007. Under a totally different regime.

You're now voting for a party who don't care about children, and saying you won't vote labour because of child poverty that occurred 17 years ago?

Quite. So many fake posts around at the moment, what with all the “I’m a die hard Labour supporter who thought Jeremy Corbyn didn’t go far enough, but Rishi Sunak says he knows what a woman is so I’m prepared to overlook 14 years of austerity, cronyism and financial mismanagement”, and then our Distinguished Social Commentator and her various mis-spelled sock puppet accounts. Almost makes me miss Clavs and Janie.

Tory Central Office, if you are paying for these bot accounts, you should change suppliers.

Many people would think school lunches are an expense for a government, and a privilege. I'm in Australia and no government has ever provided school lunches. Everyone takes their own cut lunch or can buy food at the tuckshop/canteen. It baffles me that schools even provide lunches. It's really privileged and wasteful imo when it's the job of parents to make their kids lunches. The amount of money that could be saved from that profligate spending must be big! There shouldn't even be any such thing as school lunches. The UK (and any other country that throws money away like this) needs to stop.

@Over40Overdating

Yes because none of those issues will go away under labour and yet women will face them at the bottom of pile.
With the few rights we have, taken.

And we won't be able to speak out about it.

Did you even read my whole post? Did I say Labour were amazing? No, I said I wasn't going to leave it with the current shit show.

“100,000 more children are now living in poverty than in 2016/17, according to the DWP figures on ‘Households Below Average Income’published yesterday. The figures show that women continue to be more likely to live in poverty* than men (20% compared to 18%).”

https://wbg.org.uk/blog/dwp-data-reveals-women-continue-to-be-worst-affected-by-poverty/#:~:text=100%2C000%20more%20children%20are%20now,20%25%20compared%20to%2018%25).

I hope more do come. We need them in the NHS and education. In fact, the DfE are actively encouraging immigration to fix staff shortages in education

No, it's not a loaded post. It's my genuine experience.

Fearing men - any men, in womens spaces does not make me (or any other woman or girl) a 'transphobe'. A menphobe maybe. But not a 'transphobe'.

Sorry to hear this @SoreAndTired1

Is that you Priti?

Every woman in England?
What about women in Scotland, Wales and N Ireland?

I completely agree. The government shouldn't be feeding children. Parents should be able to provide. Oh, hold on, poverty and deprivation, cost of living crisis, cut backs to essential support... Not helped by 14 years of Tories.

But she doesn’t get it. It’s not that she has a different view, it’s that she has betrayed her misunderstanding about our concern. It’s not about trans people per se - it’s about allowing men, all men, access to female-only spaces. The threat is from predatory men, not trans people as a group. That is why it is so important for us. Yet it is presented (disingenuously or not) as a simple case of being kind to trans people.

Of course there are other issues! By the way, a lot of people seem to think that Labour will suddenly transform the economy if they get in which is, to put it mildly, debatable!