To want every women in England to vote Tory at the GR

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So I don't agree with Angela Rayner's description of the Tories as scum, but I get her drift and if she'd been more tempered in her language I probably would have bought in.

HOWEVER

For me - and actually should be got everyone - the only real issue at the next GE is freedom of speech/women's rights.

I see Labour as the destroyer of these and so must vote against them. The only meaningful way to do this is to vote Tory which I am reluctant but prepared to do.

Is this unreasonable?

Happy to be convinced - for real not just words - if there is evidence Labour (Starmer 1 in 1000 women have a dick) may see the light before the GE.

Someone not sharing your view does not equate to them 'REALLY' not getting it. You feel what you feel strongly, others will feel other things strongly, and neither are absolutely correct or the only one who 'really' gets it.

@SoreAndTired1 all those things you've listed, that you're so concerned about, happened under the tories!!!

@Underthinker their goal is to make money. They don't want a prosperous country. If they did, they'd have introduced a windfall tax on the energy companies in order to see that 10x jump in profits benefit the country. They didn't.

I'm sure that lowly vote counter will immediately take your message straight to the top and let them know exactly what you think. Thank God, we will finally see real change. 🙄

The Tories have removed freedom of speech - check out their rules on protests.

Absolutely not. Gender is an important issue but not the only one and I'm not going to base my vote on it.

With things like the Cass Review and sports bodies gradually coming round Labour is extremely unlikely to unpick these - why would they? I'm not sure that in practical terms they will be very much different from the Tories in office, who let's not forget were planning to introduce self-ID themselves a couple of years ago.

@ichundich I (and other women on here) are getting really bored with ignorant people dismissing womens basic human rights as 'transphobic'. You can fuck right off with that minimising and abusive term to shut women up. And the reason we won't stick to the 'naughty corner' is that we NEED as many women and people as possible to see this and think about it. Sorry that bothers you, but too fucking bad. The more sunlight to disinfect a dangerous ideology, the better.

While I'm at it, calling a RAPE SURVIVOR like my self a 'transphobe' is as deeply abusive, re-traumatising, offensive, evil, hateful and abhorrent as possible.

Honestly I’m as GC as they come, but you couldn’t pay me to vote Tory.

Children (the people we mainly are trying to protect from mad legislation that says you can magically change sex) are the ones suffering at the hands of the Tories.

Schools are fucked, child poverty is at an all time high, the NHS is on its knees, there’s no support for women desperate to leave abusive relationships.

Nothing good has come from the last 14 years of this shit show. Saying you can’t change sex should not be the deciding factor for voting for these cunts.

Lifelong Labour voter who wouldn't touch them with someone else's these days. I have no belief Starmer et al have any plans to make substantial change to those who need it. NHS needs so much help but as they funnel funds into Rainbowwashing and clinics which sterilise children and cosmetically alter men instead of necc treatments, I'm not holding my breath.

Voting for the Tories will hurt, but I am
leaning towards a party who has managed female leadership, non white leadership, and has Kemi B on board. Look to Scotland or Canada and say again Labour ideals of freedom of speech and women's safety & dignity won't affect you. It will.

Wales? Is that the Wales where the only source of work for thousands was destroyed by Thatcher and where one of the few remaining industries in Port Talbot is about to throw more families onto the scrap heap. That Wales? I refer you to Aneurin Bevan if you want to know about poverty in Wales and elsewhere, not contemporary but still correct.

That's more at risk with a right wing Tory government who would happily take away the right to abortions, the right to protest, the right to free speech. That is of course if they don't die from poverty before age 10

If women’s rights in relation to the trans issue is all you care about, vote Tory. If you care about the lives of women more generally you would be mad to vote Tory. The underfunding of many public services all will disproportionately effect women:

Underfunded and failing education system, not meeting the needs of children with SEN, children displaying worse behaviour and mental health needs, children too anxious to go to school. Mothers are the ones who will have to deal with the impact of this, to stay at home with their school refusing children or research other school options or home-educate or deal with meetings around children’s behaviour etc. Teaching is also a role with far more women than men so again working women are feeling the effects of underfunding more than men.

Underfunded and failing social care, women are more likely to end up as carers, including doing unpaid caring, to fill the gaps in social care than men. Many women are already stretched thin caring for elderly parents because social care is inadequate.

Underfunded police services will affect women if they are living in abusive situations or face other types of crime, likely carried out by men. Women less likely to report or receive help if services are cut further.

Underfunded NHS meaning worse maternity care, longer wait times, worse treatment outcomes, worse diagnostics when women are already fobbed off about genuine health issues more than men.

If you think that the trans issue is the only political issue which can have a negative effect on women or erase women’s rights, in real terms, then that’s a very naive view. I’m not denying it’s a relevant and important political issue, but to be willing to prioritise it over other areas of funding which directly affect women far more than single-sex bathrooms etc seems madness. It doesn’t matter what kind of toilets are in your hospital or whether the female doctor you’ve requested has a penis if the NHS is so underfunded you die still on a waiting list and didn’t get an appointment to be treated in the first place.

I am truly sorry for anyone who labours under the delusion that Labour can fix these issues.

If I vote Labour it's for change of, we need change. No party should endlessly run on and on.
I want to vote Labour and I will not over this issue.

I'm in my 60s. Have voted at every GE since I was 18. I have never voted Tory and I'm not starting now 😒

Utterly ridiculous. We should all be scared of another 5 years of this shower of shit, corrupt and nasty government

Anyone who thinks the Tories support woman are seriously and worryingly deluded.

Whatever, your vote won’t be missed.

I notice voting is turned off this thread.

Everyone deserves a say. Whether you agree with their opinion or not!

The Tories voted not to extend free school meals to children during the pandemic, effectively starving them.

They have raised taxes and frozen thresholds, again forcing more families into poverty, both real and absolute.

So i disagree, some people do support children to go hungry, they have also removed NHS dental services from all of us, especially affecting children.

Women are being sexually assaulted in record numbers under the Tories, with almost zero redress.

A. We already ARE over-run with men in womens spaces. It's already happened. You just haven't paid attention.

B. Even if it was only one single solitary man in our spaces, that is one too many, and that single solitary one, JUSTIFIES the campaign.

@MolkosTeenageAngst

Women have and always will face those issues.
When my family had to access the those services it was under labour and I'm telling you it was an underfunded shit show then.

No government can magic up money, do you think labour would have done better under covid, credit crisis, cost of living and so on?
Women will always have to face many issues but under labour it looks like they will have to face them: with less rights.

@SoreAndTired1 you're getting very shouty, are you okay?

I just cannot believe how anyone can morally justify voting for a party who is happy to see kids dying in poverty. You're not justifying it, you're just getting very angry because you know I'm right.

But if they vote Labour many fear those things will get even worse, maybe as bad as they currently are in Wales, under their Labour administration. Mr. Starmer described the calamitous situation for public services in Wales as "a blueprint for a Labour Britain".

The only people trotting this out are existing tory voters hiding behind a one line soundbite to avoid having to engage in a meaningful way with the complexities of actual debate.

100% this. I'm honestly tired of people who are obviously Tory voters using the issue in this way. It's not actually illegal to vote Tory - if you think that's the right choice then please go right ahead. Just stop gaslighting us by posing as some kind of "reluctant Tory".

@Lwrenn well that'll teach them won't it 🙄

Not a fucking chance. Women's lives aren't going to be improved in the slightest by 5 more years of the Tories running the country into the ground.

The trans issue is important, but not the only or most important issue. I'll be voting for whichever fucker can get the Tories out (labour in my constituency), and then campaigning to ensure they see sense on the stuff I disagree with them.

The NHS will be under even greater strain if Labour gets in as massive numbers of people from all over the world (far greater than the numbers we are already seeing) will come to live here. It will put a massive strain on the nhs and housing. NHS waiting lists will go up. There will be an attempt to provide more housing by building over huge swathes of countryside which will be gone forever. And Labour will probably massively put up taxes on working families who are already struggling to pay for it all and increase tax on their inheritance. And I remember the last time they were in they wanted to bring in road charging. But hey at least it will redistribute the wealth a bit and those who have never contributed can benefit 🙄