To wonder which way the vote will go?

[ManchesterBeatrice]

There'll be a general election this year and there's been such a lot of chat everywhere about the Torys losing.

I'd love to think this will be the case, but was thinking where will the votes go! I've always voted labour, and will again, but is there a chance the Torys might get back in?

Maybe there's a big set of silent voters who'll vote them back!

Is the consensus here that they will lose? And if so, to labour?

I'm classed as the boomer II generation but I don't own my own home and I know many others who don't either. I also know people in my age group who do own their own homes but none of them have ever been able to "buy property like it was going out of fashion". They just own (or have on mortage) one fairly modest home. Who are these people you're talking about?

Same.

None of the other parties can define women as a class that does not include men.

Therefore I think they are too stupid to vote for.

Universal suffrage

It will be whoever can form a coalition IMO

@WallaceinAnderland so you're happy to vote Tory, and ruin the economy further, because of gender ideology?

About 6 months ago I'd have said were stuck with the Tories, but I think now they are toast, thank God. I'm not sure what straw broke the camel's back, but people have finally twigged that they have to go and go they will.

They will hold off an election as long as possible because it seems to me at this point they are just hoping against hope that there will be or they can manufacture a scandal about Starmer or the Labour leadership that will somehow make them look worse than the Tories. It's going to be brutal, nasty election campaign by the Tories because basically their only chance now is smearing Labour.

Has the realisation never hit you that half of the (rightly angry) young people who have been severely disadvantaged by Brexit didn’t even get the chance to vote in 2016 as they were still under 18? It was 8 years ago!

Wow!
With everything that has gone down the drain during 14 years of Tory rule...
I'm a feminist. And I despair with this type of "reasoning"

Yes

If women can't define themselves, they can't have protection in law which is why we are now seeing male rapists in female prisons, male people in female sport and male people in female rape crisis centres.

Scotland are trying to clamp down further by making it a crime to make the above statement.

If this doesn't scare you, you are not paying attention.

@WallaceinAnderland and do tell me who has been in power whilst these things have happened already? It's not as if the Tory's have totally stopped it - it's under their watch - with a big majority

I agree with this actually. And then I remember that the Tory party did as much as possible to keep him out of power. He is PM in spite of the Tory party, not because of it. There were no other options. Poor man probably can't wait to get back to Goldman Sachs

I think Labour will win. Ultimately people are fed up of having the same party in power and want a change. The problem is that normally Labour take over a thriving economy and the wreck it by too much gvt spending and too much gvt interference in people's lives.
The concern is that they are taking over an economy that is already in decline, a bloated and inefficient public sector, a ruinous health service, uncontrolled immigration and despite Starmers faux Centre left standing he still bends the knee (literally) to all sorts of wokery.
I genuinely dread how much worse this country will get.

I will vote for any party that is willing to openly state that the classification of women does not include men, that women's rights are important, that sex matters, etc.

I don't know why Labour won't do this.

If Labour said some white people are black and can be included on BAME shortlists, I'm sure a lot of the BAME community would think twice about voting for them.

Am pretty confident about a sizeable Labour majority.

@WallaceinAnderland to be honest the state of the economy scares me more

That's current Mumsnet for you. Give zero fucks about the children using food banks or the people on NHS waiting lists because a couple of Tories have pretended they give a shit about women.

It'll be tough for Labour, but I am quite scared of what would happen if the Tories get in again.

The looney fringe who think they speak for the majority will absolutely be in charge - the Trusses and Rees Moggs of this world - and we'll see the sort of policy-making that is coming out of conservative America where they will bring in things that the vast majority of people do not want.

They haven't even hidden the fact they want to reduce people's human rights - no matter what governments and the media say, it is never in your interest to have 'fewer rights'. I have little doubt they will try to come after maternity rights, under the guise of 'greater productivity'. I'm not even certain they won't come after abortion rights despite the fact there is no popular support for that at all - they won't use the US 'God doesn't like it' argument, but my bet is they'd couch it in terms of selfish women not having enough babies (subtext: so we'll force them).

They will come after all the wrong problems: immigration, 'wokeness' (aka, treating people decently), 'no one wants to work anymore' (they do, but our productivity metrics are all totally wrong and still based on a manufacturing economy, which we haven't been for years). And ignore the real ones: an ageing demographic (they won't talk about this because it's their voters); climate change and AI/massive changes to work economy. They would totally sleepwalk into a dystopia where billionaires and big business reap all the benefits of worker replacement and everyone else is screwed.

Though you’ll never get the true response on here.

If you have a vote and it says labour will win they certainly won’t. But like Brexit wouldn’t happen and it did… how Boris couldn’t possible be pm and he was and trump…

Not many will voice out say their Boris or trump or Tory or Brexit loving on here. Get less agro if you went upto the biggest meanest looking man in the roughest pub in London and stole his pint and fags 😂😂

The problem is that normally Labour take over a thriving economy and the wreck it

No no they don’t. We are hardly a thriving economy at the moment, more like a third world country.

But all the polls and all the bookies are saying a Labour win. It is not just on MN.

Also as mentioned earlier:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/99-per-cent-labour-win-election-curtice-b2519272.html

Tories are toast, even they know it. Why else would 63 of their MPs not even bother to stand again?

I'm a single issue floating voter my issue us womens rights and as such I'll be voting Tory

Have you considered the impact all these years of Tory austerity have had on women? Single mothers on UC and the expectations placed upon them? The unfairness of how child benefit was calculated for one income vs two income families, the fact that women are more likely to become carers, the utter failure of the CMS? Two-child policy for benefits? That women who might find life difficult as a single parent will find it harder to leave abusive relationshipsas as a result of benefit policy?

Didn’t they back remain too? I forget.

Reform will split the Tory vote. I’m unsure who will win. I mean I remember when Kinnock should have been a shoe in but lost.

I for one will be watching when the breakdown of what Parliament would look like under PR after all results are in. Remember UKIP, they would have had about 80 seats in the 2015 election under PR.

MN is vey left leaning and it gives a skewed representative. Plus many people tend to hang out with people who hold similar views.

So the split in Tory votes but also the women labour voters who will not vote due to their stance on gender. They may abstain or go with an independent candidate.

In the constituency I am in red and blue have swapped a few times. Labour put up a candidate from London last time , this is an ex mining and heavy industry area. That did not go down well at all. Labour are great at self sabotaging I mean look at the fiasco of David and Ed Milliband, what a mistake.

I guess I am going to sulky non vote. No party represents me.

Genuine question to the somewhat delusional posters: what is this ‘thriving economy’ that you speak of? We certainly don’t have one.