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To consider having a child without a partner

227 replies

RegretMisery · 27/03/2024 09:27

To think having a male partner and a child is more like raising two children than being an equal partnership? Having a husband seems like more hassle than it's worth.

OP posts:
AllPrincessAnneshorses · 01/04/2024 19:04

crumblingschools · 01/04/2024 14:36

@AllPrincessAnneshorses children with 2 mums should still know who their dad is, they have the right to know their genetic background

You've moved the goal posts. Not what "male role model" means.

Jamandtoastfortea · 01/04/2024 19:27

Totally worth considering! I did - 15 years ago and it was the best decision I ever made. Make sure you understand what you are doing and be prepared for lots of hard work to support your family (plus lots of nosey questions from people when they find out!). It’s very do-able, perfectly affordable procedure if you don’t need ivf and families come in all shapes and sizes

Beexxxx · 01/04/2024 20:01

Honestly this feels like the only way I’d want a kid after growing up with my dad.

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 01/04/2024 20:05

A friend of mine did solo IVF. She is an absolute legend and I am totally in awe of her. Her kid is only bothered in that they worry what other people will think. One good parent is better than two shit parents. If you can afford it then go for it.

AgileMentor · 01/04/2024 20:15

If it’s something you want to do and can afford go for it. No one would tell a same sex couple they were being unreasonable so why is it any different for a single woman.

DirtyDan · 02/04/2024 08:12

Have you considered homosexuality?

Didimum · 02/04/2024 08:19

Don’t marry a shit man then? My husband is my favourite person and makes everything in my life better and easier.

NippySweetie16 · 02/04/2024 08:21

As other have said, you will only see on here the problems in relationships (not just with men because women can be just as difficult). But that doesn't mean all men are bad. Honestly, do your research about this and the role of both parents in the lives of children. Don't make it about you and your negative view of men.

NikNak321 · 02/04/2024 08:26

My husband is crap domestically...I do carry the majority of the responsibility and domestics. I sometimes feel the way you do. I considered IVF in my 30s but met my husband at 33 so didn't have to take that route. Despite being rubbish domestically/ paying bills/ servicing the car etc 🙈 he is a loving husband and when I am taking care of these things and he isn't working (a 45 Hr week)...he is entertaining and loving the kids. So we are a team and you have to remember on here your only hearing when things go wrong. And it is VERY ONE SIDED.

Everytime he works away I am reminded that lone parenting is lonely and HARD in comparison. And in today's world incredibly hard financially. I took a back step from my career 5 years ago to be there for the kids at home more... totally invaluable. That wouldn't be possible without us being a team financially too 👍. In my opinion going at it alone is a last alternative...two good parents enrich a child's life immeasurably and the support of a good partner and sharing that shared love of your kids is priceless 💞 Don't be too hasty...good luck OP ❤️

Ruminate2much · 02/04/2024 08:26

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 01/04/2024 20:05

A friend of mine did solo IVF. She is an absolute legend and I am totally in awe of her. Her kid is only bothered in that they worry what other people will think. One good parent is better than two shit parents. If you can afford it then go for it.

I agree one good parent is better than two bad ones. But two good parents are better still. It's a fact, backed up by masses of research.
I'm sure you're friend's amazing. But, whatever way you look at it, bringing a fatherless child into the world is pretty selfish.

Randomname83738 · 02/04/2024 08:34

My mum had me via sperm donation in the 90s. She had had one baby (my brother) and the relationship with his dad had broken apart, a few years later she wanted another baby but wasn’t sure about a relationship so she had me. I think my mum is amazing, I always knew I was the product of sperm donation and she simply explained how much she wanted me. We are super close, she’s incredible. I think you have to do it the right way (making sure you’re in a viable position [financially, emotionally, have time etc] to be a single parent but if you are, I think it can be much simpler and less traumatic for children than trying to coparent in a divorce situation or with a non-involved parent. If you want this, think it through but don’t let the thought of deviating from the norm stop you!

Nicole1111 · 02/04/2024 08:41

Have you sought some bereavement counselling yet? It sounds like you’re very much in the trenches with your grief still, so not the best time to be making serious decisions with lasting consequences like having a child alone.

cemetery · 02/04/2024 08:59

Didimum · 02/04/2024 08:19

Don’t marry a shit man then? My husband is my favourite person and makes everything in my life better and easier.

'Why don't you just win the lottery??'

Didimum · 02/04/2024 09:02

cemetery · 02/04/2024 08:59

'Why don't you just win the lottery??'

Inaccurate analogy.

Readmorebooks40 · 02/04/2024 09:07

People who are happy in their relationships aren't going to be on here asking for advice so it's not a true reflection but yes there are people with useless partners. Among my friends and family all of our partners do their fair share and in most cases both partners work. There is no doubt it would be much much harder as a single parent (taking an abusive and useless partners out of the equation). I have 2 kids and work. My husband and I both take care of our kids and the house. If you want a child you don't need a partner. I don't think it should hold you back but you do need to go into it with your eyes wide open.

Polly7122 · 02/04/2024 09:29

Am with you girl,a brought my 20 year daughter up by myself as he was an absolute tosser,was jealous when I got pg then after putting me out at 36 wk he ran off back down south ,kept taking me for access kept not appearing then when she found out she was expecting he was going to be grandad of the year and yet again towards end of her pregnancy he disappeared and she doesn't even know if he dead or alive so a very head wasted daughter thanks to him

cemetery · 02/04/2024 09:39

Polly7122 · 02/04/2024 09:29

Am with you girl,a brought my 20 year daughter up by myself as he was an absolute tosser,was jealous when I got pg then after putting me out at 36 wk he ran off back down south ,kept taking me for access kept not appearing then when she found out she was expecting he was going to be grandad of the year and yet again towards end of her pregnancy he disappeared and she doesn't even know if he dead or alive so a very head wasted daughter thanks to him

Was he an addict?

thecatwiththesilveryfur · 02/04/2024 09:45

I'm so sorry for your loss, OP. Flowers

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 02/04/2024 09:46

Ruminate2much · 02/04/2024 08:26

I agree one good parent is better than two bad ones. But two good parents are better still. It's a fact, backed up by masses of research.
I'm sure you're friend's amazing. But, whatever way you look at it, bringing a fatherless child into the world is pretty selfish.

Doing IVF solo in a strong financial position when you're fully prepared for the baby is far less selfish than an awful lot of parents.

orangesareorangey · 02/04/2024 09:50

RegretMisery · 27/03/2024 10:02

No one said it's easy, but it seems to me like having a partner is more hassle than being single.

So I’ve not read the full thread yet as I only
made it this far before feeling compelled
to comment.

This response of yours is infuriatingly selfish. Yes, your life might be easier without a partner. What you seem unable to comprehend is that your child’s life - if/when you have them - is infinitely more important than yours. The weight of your decisions and how it will affect them is a heavy one, and if you can’t see beyond your own nose far enough to realise that then I think you’re not ready to be a parent, single-handedly or otherwise.

I am a lone parent. Fell pregnant through sheer irresponsibility and decided to continue with the pregnancy because it was what I wanted to do. Absolutely rightly because that is my choice. The father is an indisputable waste of flesh; not a bad man, but sufficiently useless to question why some people continue to exist while others fall victim to tragedy. While having a child has no doubt been the very best thing I’ve ever done, and we are both so so happy, there isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t feel terrible that he doesn’t have another decent, solid parent in his life.

My child is a whole person, he deserves everything, but I believe there is a void in his life, a father-shaped void, that I just can’t fill. I will, of course, be open and honest (in an age-appropriate way) when he is old enough to question these things. As will I be supportive if his ‘father’ ever comes back around, or if my child chooses to look for him. Because I think even the best of single parents can’t make up for the absence of their other parent. Our parents, even the shit ones, shape our lives, our identity. Our sense of belonging. And you would be intentionally denying your child that piece of themselves.

More than that though, being a single parent is at times very tough. Not just the stuff we all know about (money, making important decisions, never having someone else to take over) but smaller things too. For example, when my child started to talk I suddenly became really aware that there are sometimes entire days that pass when he doesn’t see me talking to anyone. He doesn’t have that experience to reflect on to inform his learning. He also doesn’t have that first-hand experience of seeing what a good, healthy relationship looks like. The kind of things you really need another person round often, regularly for him to learn from. Or an adult male role model in our house to show him things that I can’t. I don’t mean the stereotypical male stuff like putting up a shelf because mummy most definitely can do that, more stuff that are just restricted to men or men do better. Having a wee standing up, or that really physical kind of play (rough and tumble) that mums can emulate but just can’t do
to the same degree, for example. Or just someone else to love him somewhere nearly as much as you do. These are just some of the things I’ve noticed and think about and would ask that you consider too.

Like I’ve said, motherhood has been my greatest endeavour and I’ve never regretted it for myself. I also think that my child can and will grow to be a good, healthy man. I’ll do everything in my power to ensure it. But I think it’s important to acknowledge that not everything is in our control, and for some things that other parent (their father) just can’t be replaced.

Finally, I will throw in the very necessary caveat that lots of the above only
applies to the good men. One-parent families are always better than unhappy or abusive two-parent dynamics. But in your situation you should work harder to strive for a good one and to therefore give your child
the very best. Your needs and wants really aren’t what’s most important.

cemetery · 02/04/2024 09:59

orangesareorangey · 02/04/2024 09:50

So I’ve not read the full thread yet as I only
made it this far before feeling compelled
to comment.

This response of yours is infuriatingly selfish. Yes, your life might be easier without a partner. What you seem unable to comprehend is that your child’s life - if/when you have them - is infinitely more important than yours. The weight of your decisions and how it will affect them is a heavy one, and if you can’t see beyond your own nose far enough to realise that then I think you’re not ready to be a parent, single-handedly or otherwise.

I am a lone parent. Fell pregnant through sheer irresponsibility and decided to continue with the pregnancy because it was what I wanted to do. Absolutely rightly because that is my choice. The father is an indisputable waste of flesh; not a bad man, but sufficiently useless to question why some people continue to exist while others fall victim to tragedy. While having a child has no doubt been the very best thing I’ve ever done, and we are both so so happy, there isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t feel terrible that he doesn’t have another decent, solid parent in his life.

My child is a whole person, he deserves everything, but I believe there is a void in his life, a father-shaped void, that I just can’t fill. I will, of course, be open and honest (in an age-appropriate way) when he is old enough to question these things. As will I be supportive if his ‘father’ ever comes back around, or if my child chooses to look for him. Because I think even the best of single parents can’t make up for the absence of their other parent. Our parents, even the shit ones, shape our lives, our identity. Our sense of belonging. And you would be intentionally denying your child that piece of themselves.

More than that though, being a single parent is at times very tough. Not just the stuff we all know about (money, making important decisions, never having someone else to take over) but smaller things too. For example, when my child started to talk I suddenly became really aware that there are sometimes entire days that pass when he doesn’t see me talking to anyone. He doesn’t have that experience to reflect on to inform his learning. He also doesn’t have that first-hand experience of seeing what a good, healthy relationship looks like. The kind of things you really need another person round often, regularly for him to learn from. Or an adult male role model in our house to show him things that I can’t. I don’t mean the stereotypical male stuff like putting up a shelf because mummy most definitely can do that, more stuff that are just restricted to men or men do better. Having a wee standing up, or that really physical kind of play (rough and tumble) that mums can emulate but just can’t do
to the same degree, for example. Or just someone else to love him somewhere nearly as much as you do. These are just some of the things I’ve noticed and think about and would ask that you consider too.

Like I’ve said, motherhood has been my greatest endeavour and I’ve never regretted it for myself. I also think that my child can and will grow to be a good, healthy man. I’ll do everything in my power to ensure it. But I think it’s important to acknowledge that not everything is in our control, and for some things that other parent (their father) just can’t be replaced.

Finally, I will throw in the very necessary caveat that lots of the above only
applies to the good men. One-parent families are always better than unhappy or abusive two-parent dynamics. But in your situation you should work harder to strive for a good one and to therefore give your child
the very best. Your needs and wants really aren’t what’s most important.

'I became a lone parent but OP can't because it would be too selfish'

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 02/04/2024 10:01

orangesareorangey · 02/04/2024 09:50

So I’ve not read the full thread yet as I only
made it this far before feeling compelled
to comment.

This response of yours is infuriatingly selfish. Yes, your life might be easier without a partner. What you seem unable to comprehend is that your child’s life - if/when you have them - is infinitely more important than yours. The weight of your decisions and how it will affect them is a heavy one, and if you can’t see beyond your own nose far enough to realise that then I think you’re not ready to be a parent, single-handedly or otherwise.

I am a lone parent. Fell pregnant through sheer irresponsibility and decided to continue with the pregnancy because it was what I wanted to do. Absolutely rightly because that is my choice. The father is an indisputable waste of flesh; not a bad man, but sufficiently useless to question why some people continue to exist while others fall victim to tragedy. While having a child has no doubt been the very best thing I’ve ever done, and we are both so so happy, there isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t feel terrible that he doesn’t have another decent, solid parent in his life.

My child is a whole person, he deserves everything, but I believe there is a void in his life, a father-shaped void, that I just can’t fill. I will, of course, be open and honest (in an age-appropriate way) when he is old enough to question these things. As will I be supportive if his ‘father’ ever comes back around, or if my child chooses to look for him. Because I think even the best of single parents can’t make up for the absence of their other parent. Our parents, even the shit ones, shape our lives, our identity. Our sense of belonging. And you would be intentionally denying your child that piece of themselves.

More than that though, being a single parent is at times very tough. Not just the stuff we all know about (money, making important decisions, never having someone else to take over) but smaller things too. For example, when my child started to talk I suddenly became really aware that there are sometimes entire days that pass when he doesn’t see me talking to anyone. He doesn’t have that experience to reflect on to inform his learning. He also doesn’t have that first-hand experience of seeing what a good, healthy relationship looks like. The kind of things you really need another person round often, regularly for him to learn from. Or an adult male role model in our house to show him things that I can’t. I don’t mean the stereotypical male stuff like putting up a shelf because mummy most definitely can do that, more stuff that are just restricted to men or men do better. Having a wee standing up, or that really physical kind of play (rough and tumble) that mums can emulate but just can’t do
to the same degree, for example. Or just someone else to love him somewhere nearly as much as you do. These are just some of the things I’ve noticed and think about and would ask that you consider too.

Like I’ve said, motherhood has been my greatest endeavour and I’ve never regretted it for myself. I also think that my child can and will grow to be a good, healthy man. I’ll do everything in my power to ensure it. But I think it’s important to acknowledge that not everything is in our control, and for some things that other parent (their father) just can’t be replaced.

Finally, I will throw in the very necessary caveat that lots of the above only
applies to the good men. One-parent families are always better than unhappy or abusive two-parent dynamics. But in your situation you should work harder to strive for a good one and to therefore give your child
the very best. Your needs and wants really aren’t what’s most important.

Your two examples of things a father can do but a mother can't would not apply to a father who is a full time wheelchair user. Learning to pee standing up is so incredibly trivial. And a male role model doesn't need to be the father. Other male relatives, friends, teachers, all play a part.

orangesareorangey · 02/04/2024 10:07

'I became a lone parent but OP can't because it would be too selfish'

I mean, if you can’t tell the difference between someone getting pregnant accidentally and someone pursuing IVF with a sperm donor then I think that’s a you problem. Also, I don’t exclude myself from
that selfishness. Thanks for your useful input though.

Your two examples of things a father can do but a mother can't would not apply to a father who is a full time wheelchair user. Learning to pee standing up is so incredibly trivial. And a male role model doesn't need to be the father. Other male relatives, friends, teachers, all play a part.

Well yes, they were just examples. Of course other males can be role models. Not the same as having a present father though. Not even a little bit.

ironflan · 02/04/2024 10:20

WithACatLikeTread · 27/03/2024 09:47

It is better overall if a boy has a male figure in their life in an ideal world.

That totally depends on the male though. I left my kids dad because he was absolutely not a good role model. I have to take some of the ones for procreating with such an a$$. He was wonderful at the beginning but after two kids, he was lazy. Would shout at me if I didn't even cut cheese right. Then we had a little boy. Then the day came where he raised his fist and that was me outta there. Not having any of my kids thinking it's acceptable to do that to anyone.

So really it's only good if the male role model is a positive one. I know thats probably what you were trying to say but also having two role models, ie. Two mum's or two dad's who are nice people could be just as great, if not better than a shit man in their life.

ASimpleLampoon · 02/04/2024 10:28

Yanbu

Mumsnet would be the first place the shame you and blame you if you ended up with someone awful so if this is accessible to you go for it.

Do check the legalities regarding rights of donor first.

Also remember society treats mothers like shit, regardless of marital stateless and how you parent.