To be furious with the Joke Party?

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Jonathan Gullis a party chair.

The ridiculous, lying, AI generated videos with the American B movie voiceover.

Blaming the sick and disabled for the state of the economy.

Meanwhile, children are going to school hungry, in dirty clothes and tired as they are living in conditions that don't enable proper sleep. The NHS is crumbling.

The Tory government is no longer a functioning government. It is a corpse, shambling towards its final demise.

AIBU to be furious and sickened and to wonder how on earth anyone could now bring themselves to vote Tory?

This is the absolutely startling thing.
The Conservatives after 14 years of being in government, seem to be trying to campaign on anything but their record.

There surely must be some achievement they are proud of?
Perhaps the ease with which once can get a GRC?

100%.
Anyone who falls for any of it is so thick or selfish at this point.

Surely not a current thread?

1979-1997 was the tory rule of my childhood. That was bad enough.

I haven’t heard about these videos. Sounds ridiculous.

I believe people form their beliefs from all sorts of experiences throughout their lives, which constantly evolve and adapt and that it's naive to try to summarise and put people in boxes however tempting to do so.

Right. But practically, why would anyone vote Tory now? Views are on thing. Observable reality is another.

And yet millions of people will. Perhaps some have valid views?

And this thread is asking what they are. So go on. Enlighten me.

I have no interest to do so.

And yet millions of people will. Perhaps some have valid views?

So what are they? I would genuinely like to know.

Which just makes me think there aren’t any except blind prejudice based on right wing media. I am all over explaining my political beliefs because I actually believe 8n them and have passion.

Well I am flabbergasted.

They really do exist.

Yep, let’s have Liz Truss back, she’d be a far safer pair of hands than Rachel Reeves….

How important is that compared to the state of the NHS for example? I mean what does it really mean and how does it impact you compared to having to wait years for an operation for example?

Everyone seems to bang on about it but how does it affect you day to day.

There are hundreds and hundreds of women on the FWR pages who will vote Conservative. Have a look if you want to understand their reasons.

In Yougov's latest polling Labour have a larger lead among women than men.

Go figure.

I don't think you should call them the joke party. I had not heard of Jonathan Gullis up until now, read the Wikipedia information about him, and he is even by the low 'standards' of the Conservative Parliamentary party a disgrace.

Looking at his record before he became an MP, he should never have been selected, never mind since 2019.

@JessS1990
The OP was asking MN users for their reasons. Go figure yourself.

In the same way as you won't convince me that a vote for the talent-free front bench that is Labour won't bankrupt the country.

There are lots of people who feel like this.

However I'm very interested to know what people believe the Tory's will do to change the countries finances and undo all the damage they have done to them in the past 14 years.

It would be good if you can share and elaborate on this.

It's possible to have an opinion without feeling the need to impose it on others. Many on the left seem incapable of this though.

A lot on here would vote for the Nazi party if they promised to ship trans people off to camps. They’re insane.

I thought you said we shouldn't put people in boxes?

It's possible to have an opinion without feeling the need to impose it on others. Many on the left seem incapable of this though

That defies lodicules if any a statement did 🤣🤣

People here are responding to say they won't vote Tory. Giving reasons.

Others are responding they will because they don't think Labour will do better and will be worse.

People are asking why people have those opinions.

Nope - not answering. You're not listening. Surely the whole point of debate and discussion is to heat both sides. Usually if someone believes they have a string er argument they'll debate it.

Refusing to share your opinion and back it up with your own reasons doesn't mean the other side aren't listening. To me it screams you have no argument to make.

And I say this as someone who has bites for every party at some time or another.

Will not be voting Tory next time around. For various reasons but mostly because Braverman is my MP and I don't want her anywhere near my constituency if I have a vote 😂

I'll give you a clue.

Most women either don't care "what a woman is" or have worked out that the Labour party is more likely to act in their interests than the Tories.
This may be related to women noticing that they have been screwed over for the past 14 years.

Floating voter here.

The more people tell me I MUST vote Labour, makes me less likely to do it.

It’s always the left who seem to instruct everyone else on how to vote. People from the right tell you who they vote for and that’s it. For people from the left, it’s an opening gambit for an hour-long hectoring diatribe.

It’s not an effective tool for me.