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To Hide Savings From DH

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AlwaysNonStop · 26/03/2024 01:16

First time posting and just looking to find out the general consensus please.

Question: AIBU to hide my savings from my partner?

Back story: Got married far too young and it was a disaster. Ex husband was horribly abusive and had a gambling addiction. He racked up thousands of pounds worth of debt in my name without my knowledge. I only discovered the full extent when he moved out and I started getting the letters that he had previously been intercepting. I was working full time in a good career whilst supporting him because he couldn’t hold a job longer than a few months. I filed for a divorce before my son was 6 months old and we settled that I would take on 100% of the debt providing he didn’t try to gain access to my son. Him being the absolute prize he is, accepted this without question.

I then spent around 5 years trying to get myself back on my feet. It was very very difficult financially. I was still working full time for a good rate of pay but the debts, childcare fees, normal bills etc were absolutely crippling and at times I’d genuinely be counting change to put a few pounds of petrol in the car to get to work. I got myself out of my dire financial state and swore I’d never be in that position again.

Current Situation: Been with my partner now for 10 years, not married but long term engaged, moved in together 6 years ago. I have my 14 year old from my first marriage and we have 5 year old twins together.

My partner is a wonderful man. He’s kind, caring, considerate, trustworthy, hard working and just an all round a wonderful guy. I trust him with my life and have genuinely never known anyone like him. We share everything apart from one thing, my savings.

We both work (him full time, me part time) but my salary for part time is roughly the same as his for full time. We don’t have joint accounts so each month he sends me a set amount (around 60% of his salary). The agreement is that I’ll deal with all the finances, pay all the bills, food shopping, days out, clothes, holidays, presents etc and then all he pays from his account is his petrol and 3 mobile phone bills (His, mine, 14yo).

I understand this set up maybe doesn’t work for everyone but it works well for us because I’m far more organised than him. We have family savings that cover holidays, Christmas etc but my question is related to my personal savings. I have around £15k dotted around in both savings accounts and hidden cash. I’ve always considered it my “run away fund” because it’s money I could use to pay a deposit on a rental and kit it out with basic furniture if I ever had to leave with my children in a hurry. It started as a few hundred pounds and over the years it’s grown and I’m at the point I’m starting to feel a bit guilty.

We are in no way wealthy, but I’d say we were comfortable. Partner is aware we have some savings, with set monthly amounts going to each little pot. I’m just struggling with the idea that I might technically be lying to him by not telling him that I have a secret £15k stashed away. Part of me feels like I need to tell him because we don’t have any secrets, I have absolutely no intention of leaving him and even if I did i would never have to flee in fear (the whole point of my runaway fund in the beginning). The worry with telling him is that he might feel like I’ve been lying and he can’t trust me. The other part feels like I need to keep it a secret to maintain my control and independence. Having grown up with my parents in a toxic relationship I always wondered what would’ve been different had my mum not been reliant on my dads income. I’m also very aware that situations can change in a heartbeat, for better or worse.

What do I do????

AIBU - Yes - He should know about the additional savings because they’re his savings too.

AIBU - No - It’s your money and he has no reason to know anything

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Youcannotbeseriousreally · 26/03/2024 08:33

westisbest1982 · 26/03/2024 08:30

Sure, but then OP won’t have that running away fund anymore because she won’t be able to withdraw the money, only the kids can, when they turn 18.

It really doesn’t sound like she needs to run away, but I understand her fear and need for the security . She could park the £15k she has now and start again but she could then say, ‘I’m going to start saving up for myself, it’s something I need to do for me’ , and then it would be open and upfront and not any lies?

AlwaysNonStop · 26/03/2024 08:36

Soontobe60 · 26/03/2024 06:46

Actually, if he’s paying for 3 mobile phones and fuel, he’s paying more than 60% of his salary towards household expenses. So there are 2 issues here - first are you both paying fairly into the pot, and second hiding the fact that you’ve got savings from your DP. There’s nothing wrong per se about having your own savings, it’s the secrecy around money that’s the issue. Just like your ex hid his gambling from you.
As you have a DS from a previous relationship, you should be contributing more than him to the family pot.
What % of your salary do you contribute? What’s the housing situation?
What I suggest is that you both sit down and work out the true extent of your combined outgoings, then decide what % each of you is going to contribute. What you do with the rest of your individual incomes is up to each of you. However, I suggest you open a high interest savings account rather than having cash squirrelled away - that way your savings are increasing in value, not decreasing which is what happens to cash under the mattress type savings!

I don’t think it’s fair to say I should contribute more because I have a son. We come as a package and my partner treats him as his own. My son calls him dad (he’s aware he’s not) and isn’t treated any differently to his sisters.

The cost of living has increased for everyone and even with those increases I haven’t asked him to send any extra money each month. He’s offered but I haven’t accepted so in essence I’ve absorbed the increases in gas, electric, food, insurances, rent, council tax etc.

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crumblingschools · 26/03/2024 08:38

When splitting finances isn’t it more usual to have the same amount of money for personal spends/savings. So there would be a general savings pot after all bills paid and individual savings accounts if someone likes to save rather than spend

AlwaysNonStop · 26/03/2024 08:39

It’s not grim, it’s a judgement call I made at the time to protect my son that turned out to be absolutely correct.

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PinkPelicans · 26/03/2024 08:40

According to MN, all money is family money.
Unless it's the woman's money, then it's her escape fund.
Double standards.

AlwaysNonStop · 26/03/2024 08:40

littlehorsesthatrun · 26/03/2024 06:48

Have you ever been in a financially abusive relationship? If not, it’s really nice you trust your partner but you could try to empathise with OP who has had the ability to trust severely damaged. OP, could you reserve a smaller amount and let your husband know about the rest? If it were me, I would be thrilled to find out my other half had saved so much!

Thank you. This is actually what I was thinking. Maybe I could move half of it into the family savings and keep the other half separate.

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DisforDarkChocolate · 26/03/2024 08:41

Why do you think of them as joint savings when he has money he could well be saving?

AlwaysNonStop · 26/03/2024 08:42

x2boys · 26/03/2024 06:56

Yes in I mumsnet, s cosy little world
Back in the real world however some women are struggling just to survive 🙄

I’m well aware many woman are struggling to survive and that’s exactly why I’ve saved it. IVE BEEN THERE!!!

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ViciousCurrentBun · 26/03/2024 08:43

The crux of financial arrangements of any sort is if either partner is poor within a relationship and if they break up depending on the legalities of the relationship status how the money is divided.

As long as all bills are paid and you both have similar disposable income I see no issue.

crumblingschools · 26/03/2024 08:43

@AlwaysNonStop have you told your son that you paid his dad off?

AlwaysNonStop · 26/03/2024 08:44

No what’s awful is that he accepted without even blinking. It was the right decision for my son and I’d do it again in a heartbeat.

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MillieIou · 26/03/2024 08:47

OP you don't seem to be answering when people are asking do you both have the same amount left after everything is paid for before personal savings?

AlwaysNonStop · 26/03/2024 08:50

Thank you so much. This is exactly it. Things can change in a heartbeat as I’ve learned and I never want to be in that position again, especially with 3 children this time. I think if he was to ask me straight out I’d have to tell him, I can’t lie to him. The accounts are all in my name (except his current account) so he doesn’t know the balances of the savings and he’s never asked, he just knows that everything’s taken care of.

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AlwaysNonStop · 26/03/2024 08:53

Soontobe60 · 26/03/2024 07:15

Hi IS subsidising her though - she said he pays for her and her DSs phones - that’s a subsidy.

Actually I’ve covered all the cost of living increases in food, gas, electric, insurances, rent etc. so I’d hardly say he’s subsidising me.

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determinedtomakethiswork · 26/03/2024 08:57

I absolutely agree with you. Incidentally what proportion of your salary goes towards family finances? And how much is in the family savings pot? I would love to spend 60% on absolutely everything and have the rest to myself - how much does that leave him?

AlwaysNonStop · 26/03/2024 09:01

harriethoyle · 26/03/2024 08:18

Why is he paying 60% then? The extra 10% he pays means you've been able to build up secret savings. That's not fair.

I said he pays roughly 60% of his salary, not that he pays 60% of the outgoings

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AlwaysNonStop · 26/03/2024 09:04

As far as my sons aware, bio dad wasn’t a nice person and I felt he deserved a better life than he could offer. He’s not interested in knowing anything about him.

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MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 26/03/2024 09:05

AlwaysNonStop · 26/03/2024 08:07

No it’s not from money he gives me.

Then it’s not his money or his savings and it’s nothing to do with him. I’m presuming he does what he wants with his 40% of his salary each month and is a grown up who is fully capable of saving as well as he doesn’t have to put it toward any household/child related/holiday finances.

crumblingschools · 26/03/2024 09:08

So could he have £15k savings from the money left over after handing over his percentage of salary, it’s just he spends his money rather than saving it? What does he spend it on?

AlwaysNonStop · 26/03/2024 09:09

crumblingschools · 26/03/2024 08:43

@AlwaysNonStop have you told your son that you paid his dad off?

I’m not really sure how that’s relevant or how it would be beneficial to tell him that but he’ll know the truth when he’s older. Right now I don’t think it’s necessary to tell him how little his sperm donor thought of him.

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MillieIou · 26/03/2024 09:09

crumblingschools · 26/03/2024 09:08

So could he have £15k savings from the money left over after handing over his percentage of salary, it’s just he spends his money rather than saving it? What does he spend it on?

OP doesn't seem to be answering anything related to this, very unfair if he doesnt have the same opportunity but his own fault if he does.

WishesPromised · 26/03/2024 09:10

You need to open a joint account that you both transfer into each month so that someone is transparent.

Whatever you save in your personal account is your business.

AlwaysNonStop · 26/03/2024 09:12

MillieIou · 26/03/2024 08:47

OP you don't seem to be answering when people are asking do you both have the same amount left after everything is paid for before personal savings?

Roughly the same amount yes. The only caveat to that is I work from home so don’t have expenses for travel/lunches etc

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crumblingschools · 26/03/2024 09:13

@AlwaysNonStop but surely commuter costs come from general pot

AlwaysNonStop · 26/03/2024 09:16

crumblingschools · 26/03/2024 09:08

So could he have £15k savings from the money left over after handing over his percentage of salary, it’s just he spends his money rather than saving it? What does he spend it on?

Probably not but that’s because I’ve been saving now for nearly 10 years and trying not to touch it. If he started now then yes, he could absolutely have the same in 10 years.

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