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Jesus held on the cross with nails in his hands

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TaFox · 20/03/2024 21:43

DD5 is in year 1 and has been learning about Jesus at school. Great stuff in the spirit of Easter.

The RE teacher told the class how Jesus was NAILED to the cross.

This is quite graphic for a little girl who believes that the Easter bunny will leave eggs in our garden.

Should I tell school that this is too much info for little ears?

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Bunnygirl1902 · 22/03/2024 09:42

It amazes me that this thread hasn't been deleted yet. If everyone was referring to Islam and making jokes about Mohammad or saying he was made up and fake or speaking about that religion the way people on this thread are talking about Christianity it would have been taken down instantly.

Everyone has a right to believe in what they want. There is no need to disrespect other peoples faith just because you don't believe in it.

Grow up and learn some respect.

Hoppinggreen · 22/03/2024 09:48

Yes but Mohammed isnt supposed to be the son of God is he?
I am of no religion but I find the existence of Mohammed easier to believe than that of Jesus, although to me its all rubbish and if a religious person cant deal with me saying that then their Faith must not be very strong.
I support anyones right to their Religion as long as it does no harm (and lets face it most of them do) but I have the right to say I think its all just stories made up by men to control people

cakeorwine · 22/03/2024 09:53

Bunnygirl1902 · 22/03/2024 09:42

It amazes me that this thread hasn't been deleted yet. If everyone was referring to Islam and making jokes about Mohammad or saying he was made up and fake or speaking about that religion the way people on this thread are talking about Christianity it would have been taken down instantly.

Everyone has a right to believe in what they want. There is no need to disrespect other peoples faith just because you don't believe in it.

Grow up and learn some respect.

But this is taught in UK schools - and it is compulsory to teach Christianity. We are Christian country apparently.

Surely we have the right under freedom of speech to question it - especially as it's compulsory in our schools.

And the Christian church significantly impacts on our "Constitution" what with Charles and all

Parker231 · 22/03/2024 09:56

Sallyblackcat · 22/03/2024 07:12

Is it a church school? If so, then followers are expected to understand the sacrifices that Jesus made for us, (If that's what you believe), even from an early age. If anything, it teaches key values as a decent human being for believers and non-believers.

A Bible story has zero impact on teaching someone good values.

Parker231 · 22/03/2024 09:57

cakeorwine · 22/03/2024 09:53

But this is taught in UK schools - and it is compulsory to teach Christianity. We are Christian country apparently.

Surely we have the right under freedom of speech to question it - especially as it's compulsory in our schools.

And the Christian church significantly impacts on our "Constitution" what with Charles and all

Thank goodness for non British schools where there is separation of church and state

KimberleyClark · 22/03/2024 10:00

Hoppinggreen · 22/03/2024 09:48

Yes but Mohammed isnt supposed to be the son of God is he?
I am of no religion but I find the existence of Mohammed easier to believe than that of Jesus, although to me its all rubbish and if a religious person cant deal with me saying that then their Faith must not be very strong.
I support anyones right to their Religion as long as it does no harm (and lets face it most of them do) but I have the right to say I think its all just stories made up by men to control people

Organised religion is very much about controlling women.

Hoppinggreen · 22/03/2024 10:07

Sallyblackcat · 22/03/2024 07:12

Is it a church school? If so, then followers are expected to understand the sacrifices that Jesus made for us, (If that's what you believe), even from an early age. If anything, it teaches key values as a decent human being for believers and non-believers.

My DD opines that Religious people who do good things should be celebrated LESS than those of us who do so because its the right thing to do rather than due to being afraid of a mythical being and expecting to be rewarded for it in a made up place after death.
She came to this conclusion during her RS GCSE course.
I think she may have a point

cakeorwine · 22/03/2024 10:11

Hoppinggreen · 22/03/2024 10:07

My DD opines that Religious people who do good things should be celebrated LESS than those of us who do so because its the right thing to do rather than due to being afraid of a mythical being and expecting to be rewarded for it in a made up place after death.
She came to this conclusion during her RS GCSE course.
I think she may have a point

She should watch The Good Place on Netflix. Very much a part of the philosophy - it's a comedy but with philosophy about being good, heaven and morals all thrown in.'

KT1112 · 22/03/2024 10:12

i seem to be in the minority but I agree its too graphic for young children. I also didn't like my children being taught about the resurrection, which led my little ones to ask if people who we had lost could come back to life. I'm not against religion being taught, but in an age appropriate way. Lots of things might be factual but we have to deliver them in an age appropriate way.

Hoppinggreen · 22/03/2024 10:12

She loves it
The Good Place I mean, Quote failed

Laikalaika · 22/03/2024 10:28

Hoppinggreen · 22/03/2024 09:48

Yes but Mohammed isnt supposed to be the son of God is he?
I am of no religion but I find the existence of Mohammed easier to believe than that of Jesus, although to me its all rubbish and if a religious person cant deal with me saying that then their Faith must not be very strong.
I support anyones right to their Religion as long as it does no harm (and lets face it most of them do) but I have the right to say I think its all just stories made up by men to control people

There is 0 doubt that Jesus existed, that he jad a very large following because of his teachings, and that he was executed. No credible historian denies this.

ApplePippa · 22/03/2024 10:31

benefitstaxcredithelp · 22/03/2024 09:02

As seen on this thread many people today in Britain do not consider the Christian Easter tale as foundational to our culture anymore. It doesn’t resonate with many people anymore.
That era has moved on in my opinion. Even in a church school most of the parents aren’t actually religious. Hence the OP questioning the story. It’s normal and healthy to question things in this way.

But you can't either just cancel over a thousand years of history and culture either - that's how long we have been culturally christian. It's a very significant chunk of our heritage, whether you like it or not.

I'm not sure harking back to ancient pagan religions is really all that helpful either. I doubt many people (neo pagans aside) really have that much appetite for getting involved in goddess worship, but just use it as an excuse to bash Christianity. I'll stand corrected when I see shrines to Eaostra popping up!

Hoppinggreen · 22/03/2024 10:37

Laikalaika · 22/03/2024 10:28

There is 0 doubt that Jesus existed, that he jad a very large following because of his teachings, and that he was executed. No credible historian denies this.

There is very little firm evidence outside Christian references.

Laikalaika · 22/03/2024 10:37

ApplePippa · 22/03/2024 10:31

But you can't either just cancel over a thousand years of history and culture either - that's how long we have been culturally christian. It's a very significant chunk of our heritage, whether you like it or not.

I'm not sure harking back to ancient pagan religions is really all that helpful either. I doubt many people (neo pagans aside) really have that much appetite for getting involved in goddess worship, but just use it as an excuse to bash Christianity. I'll stand corrected when I see shrines to Eaostra popping up!

I also find it odd that people believe that just because Paganism is older it has somehow had more of an impact on Western culture as we know it. This really isn't true. So much of what we do, how we think and speak have been conditioned by centuries of Christendom.

Laikalaika · 22/03/2024 10:40

Hoppinggreen · 22/03/2024 10:37

There is very little firm evidence outside Christian references.

If you assessed all ancient historical events by the same measuring stick (only external, unbiased sources), then we couldn't even be sure of things such as the existence of Alexander the Great. Secular historians all affirm that Jesus existed.

Bearbooandmiska · 22/03/2024 10:43

Its not to much information at all. Stop being dramatic!!

Laikalaika · 22/03/2024 11:44

ApplePippa · 22/03/2024 10:31

But you can't either just cancel over a thousand years of history and culture either - that's how long we have been culturally christian. It's a very significant chunk of our heritage, whether you like it or not.

I'm not sure harking back to ancient pagan religions is really all that helpful either. I doubt many people (neo pagans aside) really have that much appetite for getting involved in goddess worship, but just use it as an excuse to bash Christianity. I'll stand corrected when I see shrines to Eaostra popping up!

And it doesn't matter if you "consider" Christianity foundational to your life personally. The fact is, our country, legal system, educational institutions, literary and artistic heritage, health service (I could go on and on) would be radically different without the foundations of Christendom. To name just one example that is absolutely pivotal in the trajectory of an entire culture, the fact that we don't have an "honour" culture is thanks to Christianity.

KrisAkabusi · 22/03/2024 11:52

Laikalaika · 22/03/2024 10:40

If you assessed all ancient historical events by the same measuring stick (only external, unbiased sources), then we couldn't even be sure of things such as the existence of Alexander the Great. Secular historians all affirm that Jesus existed.

You keep using absolutes though. You say zero doubt and all secular historians. That is simply not true. Most may think it, or all may say that he probably existed, but you cannot say that there is 100% agreement that he definitely did.

Hoppinggreen · 22/03/2024 11:55

Laikalaika · 22/03/2024 11:44

And it doesn't matter if you "consider" Christianity foundational to your life personally. The fact is, our country, legal system, educational institutions, literary and artistic heritage, health service (I could go on and on) would be radically different without the foundations of Christendom. To name just one example that is absolutely pivotal in the trajectory of an entire culture, the fact that we don't have an "honour" culture is thanks to Christianity.

You know so called "Honor " murders are cultural rather than religious dont you?
I consider it a real shame IF our culture has only progressed due to some peoples belief in an entity that may or may not exist.
Of course we will never know but I like to think we could have progressed quite nicely without Christianity or indeed any Religion but it seems humans are hard wired to want to believe in something and I suppose for many it brings purpose and joy to their lives

sashh · 22/03/2024 12:14

Laikalaika · 22/03/2024 10:37

I also find it odd that people believe that just because Paganism is older it has somehow had more of an impact on Western culture as we know it. This really isn't true. So much of what we do, how we think and speak have been conditioned by centuries of Christendom.

Christmas trees? They are pagan.

Hares and eggs in the same field - not a Christian thing.

Throwing money in wells?

Do we even know why Sheela na gig adorns so many old churches?

Christianity as it spread incorporated lots of things from the cultures it was overtaking, we don't celebrate the day of the dead in the UK (or only a few people do).

benefitstaxcredithelp · 22/03/2024 12:24

Laikalaika · 22/03/2024 10:37

I also find it odd that people believe that just because Paganism is older it has somehow had more of an impact on Western culture as we know it. This really isn't true. So much of what we do, how we think and speak have been conditioned by centuries of Christendom.

Paganism itself doesn’t mean much to me & I’m not interested in worshipping gods or goddesses but the idea of celebrating the seasons and nature does. That’s why I follow the Wheel of The Year. Our ancient ancestors were HERE on our ancient land celebrating our seasons, our animals, the sun and moon etc . Not imported ideas and stories forced upon us like Christianity was. Have you ever been to Stonehenge or Avebury or any of our ancient Neolithic or stone age sites? They were all built around the idea of the movement of the sun, the seasons and nature. This was what our truly unique and beautiful celebrations come from such as the spring festivals and the winter festivals.

I think it’s good we’re all having this conversation. It’s human nature to question and analyse things that have just been accepted along the way. It’s normal progression. As for getting the thread deleted surely that would be just shutting down the discussion as though we aren’t allowed to question ANYTHING we’re told.

oneinamillieon · 22/03/2024 12:27

i went to a catholic school. yanbu. you're 100% right.

Prunesqualler · 22/03/2024 12:27

sashh · 22/03/2024 12:14

Christmas trees? They are pagan.

Hares and eggs in the same field - not a Christian thing.

Throwing money in wells?

Do we even know why Sheela na gig adorns so many old churches?

Christianity as it spread incorporated lots of things from the cultures it was overtaking, we don't celebrate the day of the dead in the UK (or only a few people do).

All Hallows is celebrated ie a day for the dead.

ruhroh · 22/03/2024 12:47

Duggeehugs82 · 22/03/2024 08:30

Religion is only a 'fun fact' to religious people. People who are Atheist don't belive any religious story is a fact, let alone a 'fun fact'!

? I'm not religious. History exists, crucifixion was a common punishment then. This is why education is probably a good idea (maybe not for kids depending on how sensitive your child is, but definitely for adults...)

Parker231 · 22/03/2024 12:55

ruhroh · 22/03/2024 12:47

? I'm not religious. History exists, crucifixion was a common punishment then. This is why education is probably a good idea (maybe not for kids depending on how sensitive your child is, but definitely for adults...)

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Exactly - where are the stories about the other people who were crucified? Why just Jesus?