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Jesus held on the cross with nails in his hands

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TaFox · 20/03/2024 21:43

DD5 is in year 1 and has been learning about Jesus at school. Great stuff in the spirit of Easter.

The RE teacher told the class how Jesus was NAILED to the cross.

This is quite graphic for a little girl who believes that the Easter bunny will leave eggs in our garden.

Should I tell school that this is too much info for little ears?

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Tootsweets84 · 21/03/2024 16:30

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 21/03/2024 16:15

The Vernal Equinox is the eggs, bunnies, Eostre one. Easter is based purely on the date of Passover.

Why's it called Easter then?

It isn't called 'Easter' in Hebrew. The two dates are close together so I would imagine at some point it was easier to just use the existing Germanic Spring festival name to cover the new Christian festival

liverpoolnana · 21/03/2024 16:30

EverybodyIsFantastic · 21/03/2024 13:07

An entire seminar group of my undergraduates didn’t know what the Annunciation was recently, and colleagues teaching Milton have to do a lot more basic prep work now…

And as for the confusion of 'Immaculate Conception' with 'Virgin Birth' .....

anotherside · 21/03/2024 16:37

It’s ridiculous teaching 5 year olds about religion. They don’t have the concept of myth vs fact vs belief etc. If parents care they can tell their own children themselves. And of course the UK is a country in which a whopping 6% of people are practising Christians. Stick to the eggs and bunnies, at least that part of fun and encapsulates the wider meaning of Easter which predates Christianity.

benefitstaxcredithelp · 21/03/2024 16:39

AgnesX · 21/03/2024 14:09

They've been teaching it from time immemorial. Along with the rest of brutal history.

Easter isn't about fluffy bunnies as much as you might like to kid yourself.

Not time immemorial. Just since the Romans brought Christianity to our shores and forced it upon us. Before that the British isles has a huge amount of history and ‘religion’ was a more Pagan style tradition that followed the seasons and we worshipped the sun and nature.

So actually Easter IS about bunnies and chicks (ie new life) as the festival of Ostara/Eostre was celebrating new life, springtime, the return of the warmer days and the sunshine for centuries before Christianity arrived here. Christianity appropriated that festival and called it Easter and added a story of new life/being reborn into it (ie Jesus on the cross/resurrection).

TeenLifeMum · 21/03/2024 16:40

@AmethystSparkles you’re right, apologies for mistyping.

delapp · 21/03/2024 16:40

Laikalaika · 21/03/2024 16:25

The date of Passover marks the actual date in the calendar in which Jews believed God passed over the homes of the Hebrew slaves in Egypt

Well, yes, but ... if you're interested, check out How Does the Spring Equinox Relate to the Timing of Passover?

As Rabbi Posner points out, "The primary factor, which overrode all others [for the Sanhedrin deciding this actual date from year-to-year], was the spring equinox."

Lessstressedhemum · 21/03/2024 16:45

delapp · 21/03/2024 16:23

@Lessstressedhemum :"The Vernal Equinox is the eggs, bunnies, Eostre one. Easter is based purely on the date of Passover."

... And the date of Passover is based on ... ... full moon ... ... following, ... ...(wait for it!) ... ... Vernal Equinox.

Passover, Schmaschover, Easter, Schmeaschter ... what's it matter so long as you get your bunnies and eggs?

Given that the Hebrew Exodus from Egypt most likely happened in the C13th BCE, I think it's probably unlikely that Passover is based on the Celtic pagan celebration of the Vernal Equinox. It is based on the date of the Paschal moon, the first full moon after the equinox, of course it is, no one would dispute that. It's dating is probably tied to the goddess Ishtar, but I don't know enough about early Sumerian/Mesopotamian/Canaanite religion to be definitive. I expect eggs were involved but I very much doubt bunnies were.

It is untrue, though, to say that Christianity hijacked a pagan festival for Easter. It is based on the date of the Passover, when Jesus was crucified. This is obvious from the name of Easter in many other languages. We used Easter probably because the word would have been somewhat familiar to native people when Christianity was introduced by the Romans and then reintroduced by the Celtic missionaries.

benefitstaxcredithelp · 21/03/2024 16:45

BurntOrange · 21/03/2024 15:44

Easter doesn't have origins in a pagan festival - it's a myth that is thrown up every single year. It's just not true. It's in spring because Jesus was crucified at Passover

Ostara/Eostre is absolutely the origins of Easter. It’s clear from the wording!
It an old English tradition from LONG before Christianity was brought here by the romans.

It’s the same with Xmas. Our ancient ancestors celebrated Yule which was around the winter solstice and celebrated the return of the sun (or son 🤔!).

Oheighthundreddoubleohtensixtysix · 21/03/2024 16:48

I haven't read the full thread but you should probably let your daughter know they didn't nail people to the cross by their palms as this wouldn't support the weight.

It's much more likely the nails went through the bones of the forearm.

Lessstressedhemum · 21/03/2024 16:48

delapp · 21/03/2024 16:40

Well, yes, but ... if you're interested, check out How Does the Spring Equinox Relate to the Timing of Passover?

As Rabbi Posner points out, "The primary factor, which overrode all others [for the Sanhedrin deciding this actual date from year-to-year], was the spring equinox."

That is fascinating. I knew about the three year leap year but not the Sanhedral judgement on how when to add an extra month previous to the standardising.

Laikalaika · 21/03/2024 16:49

benefitstaxcredithelp · 21/03/2024 16:45

Ostara/Eostre is absolutely the origins of Easter. It’s clear from the wording!
It an old English tradition from LONG before Christianity was brought here by the romans.

It’s the same with Xmas. Our ancient ancestors celebrated Yule which was around the winter solstice and celebrated the return of the sun (or son 🤔!).

It’s the same with Xmas. Our ancient ancestors celebrated Yule which was around the winter solstice and celebrated the return of the sun (or son 🤔!).

Also a myth. Quite an outdated one now

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ca.thegospelcoalition.org/article/christmas-isnt-pagan/%3famp

Christmas Isn’t Pagan - The Gospel Coalition | Canada

No modern Christmas tradition can draw a strait line to any clear and decisive pagan origin.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ca.thegospelcoalition.org/article/christmas-isnt-pagan/%3famp

OneMoreTime23 · 21/03/2024 16:55

Laikalaika · 21/03/2024 16:49

It’s the same with Xmas. Our ancient ancestors celebrated Yule which was around the winter solstice and celebrated the return of the sun (or son 🤔!).

Also a myth. Quite an outdated one now

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ca.thegospelcoalition.org/article/christmas-isnt-pagan/%3famp

Looks like an unbiased source…….

Lessstressedhemum · 21/03/2024 16:56

Ostara is the origin of the word Easter in English. But Easter is not an English festival. As I said above, it's probably called Easter here because the pronunciation of the original British/Celtic term was probably already familiar to native speakers, so church fathers decided to keep the name when they introduced Christianity to the people.

AgnesX · 21/03/2024 16:58

benefitstaxcredithelp · 21/03/2024 16:39

Not time immemorial. Just since the Romans brought Christianity to our shores and forced it upon us. Before that the British isles has a huge amount of history and ‘religion’ was a more Pagan style tradition that followed the seasons and we worshipped the sun and nature.

So actually Easter IS about bunnies and chicks (ie new life) as the festival of Ostara/Eostre was celebrating new life, springtime, the return of the warmer days and the sunshine for centuries before Christianity arrived here. Christianity appropriated that festival and called it Easter and added a story of new life/being reborn into it (ie Jesus on the cross/resurrection).

Excuse my ignorance for being wrong about pre Christian rituals and Osteria but didn't people also sacrifice to the gods??

Apologies for being wrong there too -- I don't want to start a bun fight.....

Lidlisthebusiness · 21/03/2024 17:36

@Whereareallthemillionaires that's good to know, mine are home ed, so I cover things from all angles. As an atheist, I think it's how I can give them broadest approach. I know when I was at senior school, I did a project on witchcraft in RE, but I didn't know if things like the Pagan beliefs were looked at.

Cas112 · 21/03/2024 17:45

I literally got taught the same thing

Literally thought nothing of it and can't say I'm scarred for life opConfused

ApplePippa · 21/03/2024 17:46

benefitstaxcredithelp · 21/03/2024 16:39

Not time immemorial. Just since the Romans brought Christianity to our shores and forced it upon us. Before that the British isles has a huge amount of history and ‘religion’ was a more Pagan style tradition that followed the seasons and we worshipped the sun and nature.

So actually Easter IS about bunnies and chicks (ie new life) as the festival of Ostara/Eostre was celebrating new life, springtime, the return of the warmer days and the sunshine for centuries before Christianity arrived here. Christianity appropriated that festival and called it Easter and added a story of new life/being reborn into it (ie Jesus on the cross/resurrection).

Did Ostara/Eostre predate Christianity in the British Isles? I'm not sure she did. She arrived with Germanic invaders/settlers (who eventually became the Anglo Saxons) in the post-Roman era. Christianity first arrived in the Roman era.

Catsbreakfast · 21/03/2024 18:14

benefitstaxcredithelp · 21/03/2024 09:03

Can’t believe you’re not religious and you believe all this. You call them traditions and customs but they’re not originally our British traditions (see above all the posts about the true origin of ‘Easter/Ostara/Oestra’. Christianity tagged all these fantasy stories onto existing traditions when the Romans brought it with them.

I don’t believe it but that’s what’s in the bible and what was being taught in religious studies. I can’t believe you read all this and can’t comprehend what I said.

Mischance · 21/03/2024 18:26

Oheighthundreddoubleohtensixtysix · 21/03/2024 16:48

I haven't read the full thread but you should probably let your daughter know they didn't nail people to the cross by their palms as this wouldn't support the weight.

It's much more likely the nails went through the bones of the forearm.

Ah that's fine then. Let's give her the detailed facts. Never mind she is in reception!

BurntOrange · 21/03/2024 18:32

@benefitstaxcredithelp Nope, not true for Christmas either. A lot of these ideas are outdated Victorian scholarship which have since been found to be completely wrong

Tattletwat · 21/03/2024 18:34

OneMoreTime23 · 21/03/2024 16:55

Looks like an unbiased source…….

I tried reading some of it, it's horrendously biased.

swimlyn · 21/03/2024 18:45

Err...

It's all a work of fiction @TaFox .

ConJob · 21/03/2024 18:49

Yellowbananasarebetterthangreen · 21/03/2024 14:04

Id be far more worried about my kid if they believed a rabbit leaves chocolate eggs in the garden tbh.

I failed to see the 't' on the end of rabbit and considered converting!

maddiemookins16mum · 21/03/2024 18:52

I was raised Catholic, we’ve heard it all from a very young age. In fact watching any kind of depiction of The Crucifixion was pretty normal for us wains from a young age.
You can’t have a proper Easter without blood, nails and an empty tomb I’m afraid.

ruhroh · 21/03/2024 18:53

Mischance · 21/03/2024 18:26

Ah that's fine then. Let's give her the detailed facts. Never mind she is in reception!

Honestly, as a child I loved fun facts like these. I loved Horrible History too like most children!