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Jesus held on the cross with nails in his hands

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TaFox · 20/03/2024 21:43

DD5 is in year 1 and has been learning about Jesus at school. Great stuff in the spirit of Easter.

The RE teacher told the class how Jesus was NAILED to the cross.

This is quite graphic for a little girl who believes that the Easter bunny will leave eggs in our garden.

Should I tell school that this is too much info for little ears?

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Moonmelodies · 21/03/2024 14:37

Mnetcurious · 21/03/2024 14:32

This is literally what happened, the teacher is being factual and that detail is necessary to show Jesus’ sacrifice. Without it there would be no Easter. So no bunny or chocolate eggs for your daughter.

There's very little evidence to show it ever happened at all.

Mnetcurious · 21/03/2024 14:38

Fly3344 · 21/03/2024 14:34

My child is reception and was upset about this story , I think it’s unnecessary. I’ve told them it’s not a real story, Jesus isn’t real but some people believe he is when they are religious.

It’s a fact that Jesus was a real person. Historians acknowledge this. Whether or not you believe he was the son of god is a different matter. But you can’t misinform your children that ‘Jesus isn’t real and it’s not a real story’.

Pollenandbloom · 21/03/2024 14:40

FredericC · 21/03/2024 12:34

YANBU

I honestly think it's pretty awful that they would tell such tiny kids such graphic stories of abuse/harassment. The fact it's part of a religious story is neither here nor there, not everyone believes in religion. Unless you've signed her up to a religious school in which case, I would imagine that you knew what to expect.

This is absolutely my take too. 'It's religion!!' is such a poor reason for exposing children to themes of violence/torture.
I'm speaking as someone who gradually rejected Christianity as they grew up and is skeptical of the value of covering it in any great detail in schools today. Clearly someone who is still under the impression it's all 'true' would have a different take.

SinnerBoy · 21/03/2024 14:40

stillplentyofjunkinthetrunk · Today 12:34

I'm not sure it will help but the point of crucifixion was that it was a very slow and painful death. As a child I was told that this was why the soldier stabbed him with a spear to cut his suffering short. It helped me at the time.

They could last up to a week, if they were really unlucky, they'd often break their legs, so that they would hang by their arms alone and suffocate.

The reason for the spear was that it was the Sabbath and night was falling and having a dying person up there would have offended the sensibilities of the locals.

ruhroh · 21/03/2024 14:42

Mirabai · 21/03/2024 09:42

It’s very much a testament to mankind’s predilection for S&M that the image of divinity in the west is a man being tortured. Of all the things that could have been chosen to symbolise Christianity and sacrifice - it’s graphic crufiction.

I did think of this the other day! Now that the majority of brutality has been erased from our daily lives, humanity has to quench their need for it in some form, eg movies, video games, books, true crime, etc.

I have family ties to a 3rd world country, and many people there just want to watch happy things, not a re-enactment of themes around them growing up or right now. Whereas media with violent or horrifying themes (even just plain old psychological thrillers) is very popular in 1st world Western or Asian countries where people live peaceful lives daily. I'm guessing it's an innate need really.

I'm quite squeamish and a scaredycat, but even then I sometimes feel morbid fascination upon coming across or hearing a particular sick story.

Jk8 · 21/03/2024 15:18

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AgnesX · 21/03/2024 15:20

Moonmelodies · 21/03/2024 14:33

I wouldn't have thought they've been teaching it much before about 32AD.

Maybe not, I was thinking of British history. Religious history has always seemed to be full of nastiness though and little kids seem to be exposed to that quite early on.

MyLovelyPurse · 21/03/2024 15:33

@ruhroh when I said ‘if it really happened’ I was questioning OPs account of what happened at school. I don’t question what happened to Jesus. It’s a story which may or may not be based on a real event but I don’t care enough to have an opinion on it.

ruhroh · 21/03/2024 15:37

MyLovelyPurse · 21/03/2024 15:33

@ruhroh when I said ‘if it really happened’ I was questioning OPs account of what happened at school. I don’t question what happened to Jesus. It’s a story which may or may not be based on a real event but I don’t care enough to have an opinion on it.

Ok but my post wasn't really addressed to you. I saw a few posts doubting if Jesus existed and randomly quoted yours as a jumping off point for the fact/general thread discussion that Muhammed, Jesus, Buddha and other historical figures existed – some people don't care, but equally others find history interesting

Bigcoatweather · 21/03/2024 15:37

Perhaps hold off on reading her Grimm’s fairytales then, OP.

BurntOrange · 21/03/2024 15:44

Easter doesn't have origins in a pagan festival - it's a myth that is thrown up every single year. It's just not true. It's in spring because Jesus was crucified at Passover

MyLovelyPurse · 21/03/2024 16:00

@BurntOrange do you have an idea where the word Easter comes from? Look it up in an etymological dictionary, it has nothing at all to do with Jesus/God or Christianity. Hint, oestrogen has the same roots.

Lessstressedhemum · 21/03/2024 16:02

The Vernal Equinox is the eggs, bunnies, Eostre one. Easter is based purely on the date of Passover.

The Romans physically crucified Jesus. God prompted Judas to betray Him to the Sanhedrin. The Sanhedrin handed Him over to the Romans. They also rigged the crowd to choose Barrabas to be be the recipient of Pilate's mercy, not Jesus.
But, ultimately, it was all a part of God's plan. I've always felt sorry for Judas, tbh.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 21/03/2024 16:15

The Vernal Equinox is the eggs, bunnies, Eostre one. Easter is based purely on the date of Passover.

Why's it called Easter then?

Justpontificating · 21/03/2024 16:16

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Is the name calling necessary.
You made your point without it

Laikalaika · 21/03/2024 16:18

Fly3344 · 21/03/2024 14:34

My child is reception and was upset about this story , I think it’s unnecessary. I’ve told them it’s not a real story, Jesus isn’t real but some people believe he is when they are religious.

You are lying to your child....

Whereareallthemillionaires · 21/03/2024 16:20

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 21/03/2024 16:15

The Vernal Equinox is the eggs, bunnies, Eostre one. Easter is based purely on the date of Passover.

Why's it called Easter then?

Here’s Encyclopaedia Brittanica to explain

Jesus held on the cross with nails in his hands
Tootsweets84 · 21/03/2024 16:23

I mean, that is the story of Easter and the UK has been Christianised for a fairly long time so most children in mainstream school will have learned this and not been too traumatised by it.
The Pagan spring festival always falls on the Spring equinox - which was yesterday :) - and that one IS all about bunnies and eggs (a sick bird that was turned into a healthy hare that lays eggs actually). I grew up celebrating 'Easter' on Easter Sunday with my atheist parents and not really understanding why some people went to church and were mildly offended by all the focus on chocolate eggs. My own children (home ed) celebrate the equinox on the correct day (and take advantage of the happy coincidence that there are chocolate eggs in Tesco) and don't really take any notice of Easter because it's not our sacred day.

delapp · 21/03/2024 16:23

@Lessstressedhemum :"The Vernal Equinox is the eggs, bunnies, Eostre one. Easter is based purely on the date of Passover."

... And the date of Passover is based on ... ... full moon ... ... following, ... ...(wait for it!) ... ... Vernal Equinox.

Passover, Schmaschover, Easter, Schmeaschter ... what's it matter so long as you get your bunnies and eggs?

WitsEnd10 · 21/03/2024 16:25

GetWhatYouWant · 21/03/2024 14:10

So you'd never even been to visit any cathedrals or churches out of interest while on trips or holidays? I find that absolutely astonishing and I'm an atheist.

Never. We didn't go on holiday as children and my parents certainly weren’t interested in visiting churches or cathedrals on days out. To be honest we very rarely went on trips or days out. My first holiday was at 12 to Cornwall for five days.

Laikalaika · 21/03/2024 16:25

delapp · 21/03/2024 16:23

@Lessstressedhemum :"The Vernal Equinox is the eggs, bunnies, Eostre one. Easter is based purely on the date of Passover."

... And the date of Passover is based on ... ... full moon ... ... following, ... ...(wait for it!) ... ... Vernal Equinox.

Passover, Schmaschover, Easter, Schmeaschter ... what's it matter so long as you get your bunnies and eggs?

The date of Passover marks the actual date in the calendar in which Jews believed God passed over the homes of the Hebrew slaves in Egypt

benefitstaxcredithelp · 21/03/2024 16:26

Jetstream · 21/03/2024 10:49

Christianity has a bit of a fetish when it comes to detailing punishments. They like it gory.
We were told this at a young age too. We were also told that crucifying was a commonly used capital punishment at that time. Also that Jesus got off lightly as people were also crucified upside down.
Oh and that women were treated really badly, often traveled in with the cattle and sheep while the men traveled in comfort on seats.

Yeah it’s not fetishly patriarchal at all…. All that whipped and stripped stuff as well….

Laikalaika · 21/03/2024 16:27

benefitstaxcredithelp · 21/03/2024 16:26

Yeah it’s not fetishly patriarchal at all…. All that whipped and stripped stuff as well….

This capital punishment was administered by Roman pagans, not Christians...

Laikalaika · 21/03/2024 16:29

benefitstaxcredithelp · 21/03/2024 16:26

Yeah it’s not fetishly patriarchal at all…. All that whipped and stripped stuff as well….

And what you were told about this form of execution is absolutely true. It was common at the time. It's history. Don't blame Christianity for that.

OkPedro · 21/03/2024 16:29

Mum2jenny · 20/03/2024 21:48

It’s religion, get over it. It’s good that kids get taught about Christianity and the key facts relating to it. Easter is not all about bunnies and Easter eggs.

Why is it good that children get taught about Christianity? Unless your family are practicing christians then what's the point? Telling someone to just put up and shut up or in your words "get over it" is ridiculous

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