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Jesus held on the cross with nails in his hands

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TaFox · 20/03/2024 21:43

DD5 is in year 1 and has been learning about Jesus at school. Great stuff in the spirit of Easter.

The RE teacher told the class how Jesus was NAILED to the cross.

This is quite graphic for a little girl who believes that the Easter bunny will leave eggs in our garden.

Should I tell school that this is too much info for little ears?

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LoreleiG · 21/03/2024 13:21

DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 21/03/2024 12:20

They will. Kids need to toughen up or shall we scrub out all the upsetting nasty bits of history?

History of all kinds being taught at an appropriate age I have no problem with. Five year olds being taught about specific crucifixion details I find unnecessary.

Parker231 · 21/03/2024 13:25

Laikalaika · 21/03/2024 13:19

The amount of people claiming that Jesus never existed is just unbelievable.

Dawkins once glibly claimed he probably didn't exist, and he was so embarrassed that he had to backtrack and affirm he "probably" did exist.

No credible historian in the world thinks he didn't exist.

he probably existed but didn’t do anything amazing.

Prunesqualler · 21/03/2024 13:25

YankSplaining · 21/03/2024 12:55

Re: history and art: oh God, yes, and add literature to that as well. I graduated from a pretty well-known American college, and it was truly dismal how many people didn’t recognize basic Biblical allusions. The poor English literature professors were like, “Okay, in this chapter, someone falls from grace in a garden. Now, what Biblical story is this referring to?” Silence. I always had to raise my hand because I went to Catholic school. Afterwards, people would come up to me and be impressed that I knew stuff you’d find in a 64-page beginning children’s Bible.

Everybody needs a basic working knowledge of the Bible and Greek mythology if they want to understand western art and literature.

As the only Catholic in my practice as an architect I always did the church designs.
No one seemed to know the very basics of what was required in a church. Such as
the stations of the cross….12 or 13 and where to locate them
a font! and where to locate it.
a sacristy
etc etc.

I does seem amazing how little some people grasp the very basics of the Christian religion in a Christian country especially as many of them studied art or/ and art history to Alevel.

LoreleiG · 21/03/2024 13:27

Whereareallthemillionaires · 21/03/2024 12:05

Exactly.
I got really upset by stories of animals being killed and sacrificed. Romans killing lions, zoos and animal slaughter and seeing dead animals strung up outside butchers shops or bits of meat packaged and for sale in supermarkets. That felt more real to me.

Unfortunately that’s all part of life and world history or part of some religious traditions. We can’t avoid it being taught.

Kids watch these things all the time, Watership Down, Bambi etc. It can’t all be banned because some find it upsetting.

That upset me too, as did the story of Abraham and Isaac - I couldn't get it out of my head. Just my experience.

I agree it shouldn't be avoided at all - history being taught age-appropriately I am fine with.

Don't get me started on Watership Down and Bambi 😂

Laikalaika · 21/03/2024 13:29

Parker231 · 21/03/2024 13:25

he probably existed but didn’t do anything amazing.

"The historicity of Jesus is the question of whether or not Jesus of Nazareth historically existed (as opposed to being a purely mythical figure). The question of historicity was generally settled in scholarship in the early 20th century,[1][2][3][note 1] and today scholars in the field agree that a Jewish man called Jesus of Nazareth did exist in the Herodian Kingdom of Judea and the subsequent Herodian tetrarchy in the 1st century CE, upon whose life and teachings Christianity was later constructed.[note 1]"

His life and teachings kind of changed the course of human history, whether you like it or not... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

Whereareallthemillionaires · 21/03/2024 13:31

Parker231 · 21/03/2024 13:25

he probably existed but didn’t do anything amazing.

It’s understood he existed as a preacher ( or rabbi if you like ). He had such a huge following the authorities and high priests started to get concerned that he was a bit too radical and a bit too popular so they decided to get rid of him.
It’s worth noting there were lots of preachers at the time as the population was having a sort of slavery / cost of living crisis.

housethatbuiltme · 21/03/2024 13:39

TBF its not even 'story book' like the old testament parts. Its one of the most factual bits that in history people genuinely where nailed to the cross for acts of crime or treason and this could take the form of religious persecution.

Is the rest of it not weirder, like teaching them someone magically came back from the dead?

or that bunnies shit out chocolate eggs?

IfYouCouldSeeWhatICanSee · 21/03/2024 13:51

Maybe do some of your own, alternative research with her?
It does seem unlikely nails alone would have held any grown man in that position long enough for death to occur.
If schools have to teach religion then all possibilities should be explored? For all religious groups imo.

CurlewKate · 21/03/2024 13:51

@TheGreenManalishiWithTheTwoProngedCrown

I think children should know about the Holocaust too. I don't think 5 year olds need to know the details of the concentration camps, though.

Laikalaika · 21/03/2024 13:59

IfYouCouldSeeWhatICanSee · 21/03/2024 13:51

Maybe do some of your own, alternative research with her?
It does seem unlikely nails alone would have held any grown man in that position long enough for death to occur.
If schools have to teach religion then all possibilities should be explored? For all religious groups imo.

The nails went through his wrists. The Greek word used can refer to either palms or wrists, and we know Romans executed people on the cross by nailing the wrists.

ruhroh · 21/03/2024 14:00

Did she think it was superglue everytime she saw a crucifix?

AInightingale · 21/03/2024 14:03

I was more concerned that my four and five year olds were being told that the 'loving God' of the OT drowned the entire human race and all life on earth bar a handful of people and animals. I wondered what they were actually being asked to believe, it's batshit really.

Yellowbananasarebetterthangreen · 21/03/2024 14:04

Id be far more worried about my kid if they believed a rabbit leaves chocolate eggs in the garden tbh.

ruhroh · 21/03/2024 14:06

housethatbuiltme · 21/03/2024 13:39

TBF its not even 'story book' like the old testament parts. Its one of the most factual bits that in history people genuinely where nailed to the cross for acts of crime or treason and this could take the form of religious persecution.

Is the rest of it not weirder, like teaching them someone magically came back from the dead?

or that bunnies shit out chocolate eggs?

Yeah, I actually grew up thinking nails was a fairytale/legend type thing and was surprised to grow up and learn about the technicalities of crucifixion, eg sponge, organ failure, asphyxiation etc.

Anyway, she'd have heard lots of stories about other traditional forms of punishment like beheading ("off with his head!") in Alice in Wonderland, or fantasy ones like a witch baking and cannibalising children in Hansel and Gretel. Most Disney kids movies contain a fair bit of murder and sick torture actually.

ruhroh · 21/03/2024 14:07

WittyMotherhoodRelatedPun · 20/03/2024 21:47

What sort of school is it?

If they’re having RE lessons then I think it’s probably fair enough. I mean, that’s the story of Easter. Jesus was nailed to the cross. It’s an awful detail but I don’t know what else she could have said. “Put on the cross?”

I’m an atheist FWIW.

Velcro-ed on the cross

AgnesX · 21/03/2024 14:09

They've been teaching it from time immemorial. Along with the rest of brutal history.

Easter isn't about fluffy bunnies as much as you might like to kid yourself.

GetWhatYouWant · 21/03/2024 14:10

WitsEnd10 · 21/03/2024 12:48

What’s so unbelievable about that? I’d never been in a church until a few years ago when a friend had their wedding in one, I’m almost 40.

So you'd never even been to visit any cathedrals or churches out of interest while on trips or holidays? I find that absolutely astonishing and I'm an atheist.

ruhroh · 21/03/2024 14:16

MyLovelyPurse · 20/03/2024 21:52

OP, are you sincerely surprised by this? Really?

As an adult, presumably living in a country with a Christian tradition, you must know the Easter story. I am not in any way religious but of course, like everyone in this country, I know the story about what happened to Jesus.

Your DD can’t be protected from such a foundational narrative, at the centre of our culture, religious or not. And, she will be fine.

If it really happened that is.

Most historical scholars believe the archaelogical and historical evidence proves that religious figures existed: Jesus (Christianity) of Nazareth, Muhammad (Islam) in Mecca which is pretty near Nazareth, and Siddhartha Gautama (Buddhism) in Nepal/South Asia.

Crucifixion was also a common punishment in Jesus' region then. (The coming back to life stuff is obviously hard to prove!)

I'm open to any of those religions being real but basically think of those figures as cult leaders, nothing mystical about their existence from a cynical perspective.

3luckystars · 21/03/2024 14:16

CryHavoc · 20/03/2024 21:51

I went to a Catholic school and watched the full Robert Powell Jesus of Nazareth films every Easter from being 4. Whipping and nails and crown of thorns and all.

It's the Easter story, far more than bunnies and chicks are.

I know that film and we had to watch it every Easter at home too. I hope it’s on this year.

I was talking about it one day and talking about your man playing Jesus eyes, my sister says ‘you know that’s your man on Holby with the periwinkle curls don’t you?’

Im more traumatised by the things she has shockingly revealed me over the years like that, than any nails.

Another day watching the Sound of Music, admiring the dad ‘he’s gay’ she shouted over her shoulder, running out of the house.

AmethystSparkles · 21/03/2024 14:28

TeenLifeMum · 20/03/2024 21:49

When I moved in with dh we were sorting stuff and dh found my RE book from year 1. I’d drawn Jesus on the cross with blood spurting out of his hands. Apart from dh laughing hysterically and wondering if I was a bit psychotic, I’ve no lasting harm.

Sorry to be pedantic but you mean psychopathic. Psychotic episodes are not generally so gruesome.

juniorspesh · 21/03/2024 14:31

When mine was in year 1 he described the crucifixion as "a big plus" which I'm not sure was what they had in mind.

Mnetcurious · 21/03/2024 14:32

This is literally what happened, the teacher is being factual and that detail is necessary to show Jesus’ sacrifice. Without it there would be no Easter. So no bunny or chocolate eggs for your daughter.

Moonmelodies · 21/03/2024 14:33

AgnesX · 21/03/2024 14:09

They've been teaching it from time immemorial. Along with the rest of brutal history.

Easter isn't about fluffy bunnies as much as you might like to kid yourself.

I wouldn't have thought they've been teaching it much before about 32AD.

Fly3344 · 21/03/2024 14:34

My child is reception and was upset about this story , I think it’s unnecessary. I’ve told them it’s not a real story, Jesus isn’t real but some people believe he is when they are religious.

ruhroh · 21/03/2024 14:36

Mischance · 20/03/2024 22:12

It is gross - I really detest this death cult aspect of Christianity - but more than anything else I hate that we inflict this on small chidlren.

Should we take 4 year old children and describe cluster bombs, electric chairs, poison gas? - I don't think so. But it is OK to talk about such barbarism in the name of religion.

Most kids know about guns and soldiers, bombs, etc

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