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Jesus held on the cross with nails in his hands

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TaFox · 20/03/2024 21:43

DD5 is in year 1 and has been learning about Jesus at school. Great stuff in the spirit of Easter.

The RE teacher told the class how Jesus was NAILED to the cross.

This is quite graphic for a little girl who believes that the Easter bunny will leave eggs in our garden.

Should I tell school that this is too much info for little ears?

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Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 21/03/2024 11:04

I went to church (Anglican) from age 4 but we had church songs and stories in our school (which wasn't a church school) from 4/5 too. Yes, it's a bit graphic and grisly but it's what apparently happened, historically.

@user1745 we covered history at primary school but I can't recall the beheadings, I think it was glossed over very quickly! I do recall in my teens being appalled/fascinated by other methods of execution and how horrific they were (Catholic school).

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 21/03/2024 11:05

TaFox · 20/03/2024 21:43

DD5 is in year 1 and has been learning about Jesus at school. Great stuff in the spirit of Easter.

The RE teacher told the class how Jesus was NAILED to the cross.

This is quite graphic for a little girl who believes that the Easter bunny will leave eggs in our garden.

Should I tell school that this is too much info for little ears?

The school will laugh at you behind your back OP and what should they do, not tell the other children in case they're also upset?

IsthisthereallifeIsthisjustfantasy · 21/03/2024 11:06

SinnerBoy · 21/03/2024 08:15

ApplePippa Today 07:27

I couldn't be bothered to go into great detail, but it certainly was co-opted as a festival and various saints were assigned to supposed local miracles and mysteries.

The whole virgin birth, from the dove, to the Maig in the cave, 12 apostles, betrayal and resurrection were lifted wholesale from the legend of Mithras.

"Wholesale lifted" is an oversimplification. The ancient Mediterranean was a melting pot of cultures: Greek, Roman, Jewish, Persian etc. It was a multi-lingual, international context. There was a dense cultural matrix of myths and legends and they influenced each other. From this unique context, Christianity emerges: a particular amalgam of Jewish and Greek/pagan influences. But not unique in that respect; if you look at a Jewish writer from a similar time and place like Philo of Alexandria you'll see that he was also deeply influenced by Greek thought.

Jewish was Jewish and spoke Aramaic. The New Testament is written in Greek. It then gets translated into Latin.

I appreciate people's point that there are clear similarities and influences with other ancient near eastern religions and mythologies, but it's ignorant to just say that Christianity "wholesale lifted" things.

Everythinggreen · 21/03/2024 11:06

The Grimm Brothers stories are much more brutal than the story of Easter.

NotAgainWilson · 21/03/2024 11:07

I guess we all Christians have had the nature of crucifixion so much around ourselves that we overlook the extreme brutality of it and even celebrate it by wearing crosses and having them around living spaces and stuff like that.

What brought it in focus to me was a Buddhist child in a remote place in Nepal asking me what was my religion. When I said I was Christian, he looked shocked, took a good look at me and then said “like those people who have dead people nailed in their temples?” Before letting out a disapproval sigh.

I was not one for wearing crosses but yes, after this I don’t see the point to remember Christ by the method of torture used on him. Wish we had kept to the fish symbol early Christians used.

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 21/03/2024 11:07

Sonolanona · 20/03/2024 22:03

tangledupp
'Well the teacher can't really say they stuck him up there with velcro*

That made me laugh out loud!!!! Grin

Reminds me of going to my nephew's wedding a few years ago... Lord of the Dance was on the order of service. Unfortunately whoever typed it up was either spectacularly dim, or had never sung it...

'They whipped and they stripped and they hung me on high,
And left me there on a cross to DRY..'

We did not make it through the hymn with a staight face....

Some people quite enjoy the whipping and stripping parts of this. Wink

Everythinggreen · 21/03/2024 11:08

Everythinggreen · 21/03/2024 11:06

The Grimm Brothers stories are much more brutal than the story of Easter.

Actually so are Hans Christian Anderson stories.

Itwasafterallallaboutme · 21/03/2024 11:08

OurfriendsintheNE · 20/03/2024 21:50

Just wait til they do the ancient Egyptians 🪝 👃🏼 🧠

To be fair, they did usually wait until someone was dead before they pulled their brain out through their nose!

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 21/03/2024 11:09

Tattletwat · 21/03/2024 08:44

There is no evidence of Jesus in Roman records.

One of the first mentions of him by Jewish Roman historian is wrote in 93 AD by Flavius Josephus and is wrote that differently to the rest of his work is suspected to be a fake inserted by the church.

The gospels don't really prove anything and are likely a work of fiction.

A lot of people will say historians agree Jesus existed is isn't strictly true as most historians and scholars who are employed to look into Jesus are funded by the church and aren't impartial.

Oh so didn't Jesus exist?! mind blown (not!). I gave up on religion after 3 years in a private convent school and that was more about Mary than Jesus, of course, and all taken very seriously, of course.

ScierraDoll · 21/03/2024 11:12

Like many others I grew up being told that Jesus was nailed to the cross. We grew up into well adjusted adults.
Give your head a wobble for Christ's sake, and your daughters.

Combattingthemoaners · 21/03/2024 11:12

Children have been learning about this for the nearly 2000 years. Cut to 2024, oh no children are far too sensitive to hear about this, shall I tell the teacher?? Utterly pathetic!

benefitstaxcredithelp · 21/03/2024 11:13

DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 21/03/2024 09:22

Don’t be obtuse. I’m talking about the constant need to wrap them in cotton wool

What is this cotton wool obsession talk? I don’t see this at all in real life. Seems an obsession on MN with the older generations. I think you’re getting it confused with parents in more recent generations wanting what is best for their children and actually advocating for their rights for the first time.

MissHarrietBede · 21/03/2024 11:16

It was originally a pagan festival, the Christians nicked it!

Everythinggreen · 21/03/2024 11:17

If I'm being generous, Jesus was a real man, but just a conjurer and good illusionist, like the David Blaine of his time, and Chinese whispers exaggerated the stories before someone wrote them down.

If you delve into mythology and demonology, there's mentions of other powerful forces that could be work as a crossover and attached to a "God" like power, archangels and demonic creatures but never a Jesus 🤷‍♀️

NonPlayerCharacter · 21/03/2024 11:17

If I'm being generous, Jesus was a real man, but just a conjurer and good illusionist

He was a rabbi.

Mischance · 21/03/2024 11:19

So - some small chidlren find it upsetting, some don't it would seem.

But, given that it is wholly unnecessary information for school children, it would be best to leave it out to avoid upsetting some - just as a teacher would do with any other subject.

Personally I would be worried about a child of mine not being upset by it, as it shows a lack of normal human feeling.

ForTonightGodisaDJ · 21/03/2024 11:23

It was the same for most of us. She won't be giving it deep thought at that age.

Justpontificating · 21/03/2024 11:24

Luckily Henry viii doesn’t come till KS2 🤣

Itwasafterallallaboutme · 21/03/2024 11:39

I was about 8 years old and a Christian, when we were taught about the whole Crucifixion Story. I obviously knew before then that a very good man named Jesus had died on a cross, but I had never heard about in detail before. I cried my eyes out, when I found out, and even though I am in my 60's now, I still feel both horrified and nauseous whenever I think about how awful it was to kill someone who was so good, in such a horrific manner.

I am not a member of the Christian Church anymore, my beliefs have changed - except about Jesus - and do not align much with either The Church of England's, or the Roman Catholic Church's teachings. If there is any sort of God, and if Jesus was literally his son, then I am disgusted that he would let his son suffer on the Cross in the way it is reported that Jesus did.

So to the people here who say that they knew the details about Jesus's death since they were about 4 or 5, and it didn't bother them, then fine, but please don't say that it didn't bother any of the other children, because I was very bothered about it, but I did my crying when I was alone. I don't think I even told my mum or my dad...

LookItsMeAgain · 21/03/2024 11:42

Mallani · 21/03/2024 08:16

There are tons of horrible stories in the Bible - much worse than this. My dd treated us to a graphic stick-person drawing of the stoning of St Stephen on a restaurant napkin (complete with spurting blood) when she was 6. Lovely! I've still got it :)

In Ireland we have St Stephen's Day where in the UK you have Boxing Day. I believe that is because St Stephen is/was the first martyr and we celebrate that in Ireland....apparently....Also his feast day is remembered in Good King Wenceslas (apologies for the spelling there).

Always a school day here 😄

Prunesqualler · 21/03/2024 11:43

Itwasafterallallaboutme · 21/03/2024 11:39

I was about 8 years old and a Christian, when we were taught about the whole Crucifixion Story. I obviously knew before then that a very good man named Jesus had died on a cross, but I had never heard about in detail before. I cried my eyes out, when I found out, and even though I am in my 60's now, I still feel both horrified and nauseous whenever I think about how awful it was to kill someone who was so good, in such a horrific manner.

I am not a member of the Christian Church anymore, my beliefs have changed - except about Jesus - and do not align much with either The Church of England's, or the Roman Catholic Church's teachings. If there is any sort of God, and if Jesus was literally his son, then I am disgusted that he would let his son suffer on the Cross in the way it is reported that Jesus did.

So to the people here who say that they knew the details about Jesus's death since they were about 4 or 5, and it didn't bother them, then fine, but please don't say that it didn't bother any of the other children, because I was very bothered about it, but I did my crying when I was alone. I don't think I even told my mum or my dad...

I’m assuming, as a Christian, you attended a church that did not have Jesus on the cross ie Protestant or similar religion.
I think a lot of people on here saw the image of Jesus on a cross either in church or pictures when they were very young so it wasn’t a shock when they were taught the story in school.

Whereareallthemillionaires · 21/03/2024 11:45

LookItsMeAgain · 21/03/2024 11:42

In Ireland we have St Stephen's Day where in the UK you have Boxing Day. I believe that is because St Stephen is/was the first martyr and we celebrate that in Ireland....apparently....Also his feast day is remembered in Good King Wenceslas (apologies for the spelling there).

Always a school day here 😄

Not just biblical stories either.
History in general.

Im thinking decapitated body parts on spikes on London Bridge and city entrances
Beheadings
Pirates left to rot in cages strung above streets.
They didn’t have Asbos and tags and a bit of community service in those days

LoreleiG · 21/03/2024 11:47

Prunesqualler · 21/03/2024 11:43

I’m assuming, as a Christian, you attended a church that did not have Jesus on the cross ie Protestant or similar religion.
I think a lot of people on here saw the image of Jesus on a cross either in church or pictures when they were very young so it wasn’t a shock when they were taught the story in school.

A generalisation as per most posts on here- I was at church every Sunday from birth and found it hugely upsetting, I broke down crying in mass once and had nightmares - not all kids are the same.

I chose not to subject my kids to this, and they learned about the Easter tradition in about year 4 - community school not religious - in a much nicer way.

Minymile · 21/03/2024 11:47

NonPlayerCharacter · 21/03/2024 11:17

If I'm being generous, Jesus was a real man, but just a conjurer and good illusionist

He was a rabbi.

Although in those days a rabbi could mean a teacher, non trained, not an official part of the ‘church’ or religious hierarchy.