Page 9 | Carole & Michael Middleton orchestrated children's future from birth?

nutmeg7 · 16/03/2024 21:55

Blueballoons1 · 16/03/2024 12:52

Aibu to think the Middleton's very single handedly claimed the social ladder seamlessly? All three children are wildly rich & accepted in the highest echleons of society. Aibu to think that was no accident but carefully mapped out from birth?

I think that you shouldn’t speculate about people that you don’t know. How can you possibly make any kind of judgement based in fact? You know nothing of these people or their motivations. It just unpleasant, uninformed speculation.

Calliopespa · 16/03/2024 21:59

SemperIdem · 16/03/2024 21:01

They are classic names, used across all social classes for hundreds of years 🥴

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Exactly: Cath Betty, Pip Charlie, Jim Bill

Fingeronthebutton · 16/03/2024 22:08

I think you need to get out more.

Supergirl1958 · 16/03/2024 22:16

I thought several people were ‘chosen’ to be ‘good stock’ for william to marry and have children with and he chose Kate. I believe it’s well known. Sad that the rumour is that the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree :(

Calliopespa · 16/03/2024 22:21

Supergirl1958 · 16/03/2024 22:16

I thought several people were ‘chosen’ to be ‘good stock’ for william to marry and have children with and he chose Kate. I believe it’s well known. Sad that the rumour is that the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree :(

That sounds odd. Wasn’t that Charles? ( The Queen Mother sniffed out the virginal Lady Diana).

Kate and William met at uni.

Supergirl1958 · 16/03/2024 22:35

Calliopespa · 16/03/2024 22:21

That sounds odd. Wasn’t that Charles? ( The Queen Mother sniffed out the virginal Lady Diana).

Kate and William met at uni.

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I think it’s the same for all future heirs to be honest. I’ve heard several times there were several girls lined up for William. Like I said, rumour is the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, and if it were a real ‘love match’ then that wouldn’t happen 🤷‍♀️

user1492757084 · 16/03/2024 22:50

Carole and Michael Middleton did plan to be as rich as they could and to educate their children very well. Many capable people do that. They aim high and for their children to have oportunities. It's a good recipe.
Carole's party pieces business was a success. Small items that everyone can afford and purchased on-line. For comparison, the man who invented very thin, strong, plastic bags also became a millionaire in the nineties.

It was luck that William liked Kate.

It wasn't luck that Carole Middleton worked hard. Not luck that Michael recieved an inheritance, not luck that their kids all were socially pleasant, well mannered and made the most of their physical and mental abilities.
If not William, Kate would have developed her photography, marketing and buying skills and married a successful and energetic worker and had a fortunate life.

I believe to a certain extent people make their own luck.
And good luck to them.

JudgeJ · 16/03/2024 22:52

Blueballoons1 · 16/03/2024 13:00

I've just finished the Crown & Carole really was portrayed as the brains begin the operation.

If it was in The Crown then obviously it's 100% true, isn't it!

Mumof2teens79 · 16/03/2024 22:56

Blueballoons1 · 16/03/2024 13:32

@LifeExperience I fully believe that they put the kids into the "right" activities for social advancement.

That's hardly orchestration
That's just parenting

user1492757084 · 16/03/2024 23:01

Ha ha he he ha, so true!

The Crown, all fiction, based on some historical dates etc.
But a fabricated story with guessed conversations etc to attract an audience.

If your kids love tennis and you can afford to have them join a club,you do that.

Carole and Michael hardly joined their kids to Polo clubs
They were great parents.

takemeonnnn · 16/03/2024 23:03

user1492757084 · 16/03/2024 22:50

Carole and Michael Middleton did plan to be as rich as they could and to educate their children very well. Many capable people do that. They aim high and for their children to have oportunities. It's a good recipe.
Carole's party pieces business was a success. Small items that everyone can afford and purchased on-line. For comparison, the man who invented very thin, strong, plastic bags also became a millionaire in the nineties.

It was luck that William liked Kate.

It wasn't luck that Carole Middleton worked hard. Not luck that Michael recieved an inheritance, not luck that their kids all were socially pleasant, well mannered and made the most of their physical and mental abilities.
If not William, Kate would have developed her photography, marketing and buying skills and married a successful and energetic worker and had a fortunate life.

I believe to a certain extent people make their own luck.
And good luck to them.

Lol, who are you the Middleton's official biographer? 😂

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Blueballoons1 · 16/03/2024 23:17

LittleGlowingOblong · 16/03/2024 19:36

There’s a plausible named source here claiming Kate had accommodation sorted at Edinburgh Uni with two of her best friends before she pulled out at the last minute to take a gap year and re-apply to St Andrews, so there may be a grain of truth in it.

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/reports/a46092301/kate-middleton-prince-william-university/

But never mind all that… I’m more agog at the Hanbury parents pimping out their two daughters to much older, and in one case likely gay, men. What was their mum thinking??!

Agree about the Hanbury's mum.. Rose & sister Marina are gorgeous! Apparently their mum was very pushy too but they were already aristos in their own right
Marina Hanbury dated Lord Freddie Windsor bedside he married Sophie Winkleman (Big Suze from peep show & Claudia's half sister)

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Blueballoons1 · 16/03/2024 23:35

tuppence0 · 16/03/2024 21:10

I don't think James married into money. His wife's father was working diplomat. I think they are solidly middle class. Could be wrong. Happy to be corrected.

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Correct me if I'm wrong too but I think his wife has a very high paying job, she's also very beautiful

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Blueballoons1 · 16/03/2024 23:38

Nagado · 16/03/2024 21:51

Loads of parents on here do that exact same thing! 😂

There are always threads from posters stressing because they’ve found a nice house in the right school catchment area but they’re worried because it’s only a street or two away from some poor people. They arrange ‘play dates’ for their DC with children of parents they deem to be socially acceptable and who they want to be friends with, rather than let their kids wander up and down the street and make their own friends. They enrol their DC in appropriate after school activities, have tutors and spend the school holidays trying to cram in trips to museums or theatres. They do competitive healthy lunch boxes and turn their noses up at anything that isn’t bursting with nutrients and/or from Waitrose. Toys aren’t bought because they’re fun. They’re bought because they’re made of wood so come with bragging rights about how environmentally aware little Cressida is. And speaking of Cressida, the anguish that goes into choosing a name, with Ancient Greek or Shakespearian names as a preference and shrieks of horror at any name that might be used by poor people.

What has she done that a million other middle class mums haven’t done, except maybe on a slightly grander scale?

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What has she done you ask that no other parent has done ??!! Her daughter married the future king, Carole's efforts were obviously far greater than any other parents!

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Blueballoons1 · 16/03/2024 23:40

Supergirl1958 · 16/03/2024 22:16

I thought several people were ‘chosen’ to be ‘good stock’ for william to marry and have children with and he chose Kate. I believe it’s well known. Sad that the rumour is that the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree :(

Yes unfortunately... It seems what's in the cat is in the kitten😢

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dandeliondandy · 17/03/2024 00:41

Bunnycat101 · 16/03/2024 19:04

I’ve never understood the ‘social climbing’ angle to the Middleton story. Michael middleton’s family was multi-generation rich. His father flew with prince Philip and was already in those circles. It’s always been ludicrous to try and turn the Middletons into some sort of rags to riches story. The girls have never known anything other than wealth.

He wasn't 'in those circles' socially. He only flew with Phillip because he was an RAF pilot.

dandeliondandy · 17/03/2024 00:46

FaiIureToLunch · 16/03/2024 17:07

I never get these breathlessly gormless threads

Michael Middleton is from an aristocratic background. Hence being able to afford Marlborough. And meet other posh folk. if anybody married up, it was Carole!

Not aristocracy but rather a family that did well in industry in Victorian times and elevated to the squirearchy.

everlastingpanini · 17/03/2024 07:19

user1492757084 · 16/03/2024 22:50

Carole and Michael Middleton did plan to be as rich as they could and to educate their children very well. Many capable people do that. They aim high and for their children to have oportunities. It's a good recipe.
Carole's party pieces business was a success. Small items that everyone can afford and purchased on-line. For comparison, the man who invented very thin, strong, plastic bags also became a millionaire in the nineties.

It was luck that William liked Kate.

It wasn't luck that Carole Middleton worked hard. Not luck that Michael recieved an inheritance, not luck that their kids all were socially pleasant, well mannered and made the most of their physical and mental abilities.
If not William, Kate would have developed her photography, marketing and buying skills and married a successful and energetic worker and had a fortunate life.

I believe to a certain extent people make their own luck.
And good luck to them.

I was having my children the same time K&W got married and for their respective first couple of birthdays I bought stuff from party Pieces. The first time as a bit of a giggle but actually the prices were good, the quality was truly excellent and the customer service was extremely good. On two occasions the PP team called me to clarify something (wording on a banner is one that comes to mind) and it was literally within hours of my online order and it felt very personal and pleasant.

TBH I was pretty impressed with that and thought they had a good formula- match the costs of everyone else online but the quality outstripped everyone else.

KERALA1 · 17/03/2024 07:53

It’s luck too that the offspring were attractive and amiable more likely to be so if parents are - but not always as I see anecdotally with friends teens!

Butteredtoast55 · 17/03/2024 07:54

Blueballoons1 · 16/03/2024 13:00

I've just finished the Crown & Carole really was portrayed as the brains begin the operation.

Yes that brilliantly researched and 100% accurate documentary 'The Crown'

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Blueballoons1 · 18/03/2024 20:31

KERALA1 · 17/03/2024 07:53

It’s luck too that the offspring were attractive and amiable more likely to be so if parents are - but not always as I see anecdotally with friends teens!

Yes the Middleton's are a good looking family!

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woahhhh · 18/03/2024 21:29

@Blueballoons1

Yes the Middleton's are a good looking family!
The Middleton's are a very average looking family. What they are is fit and affluent.
Facially they are extremely average. Pippa has a flat face and the lad has a weak chin.
Body wise they have a long torso and short legs.

But fitness and dressing well can elevate the ordinary

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Blueballoons1 · 18/03/2024 23:27

@woahhhh but they have the classic sloaney rich girl hair!

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Mumof2teens79 · 18/03/2024 23:59

For people talking about this on MN there's a lot of misinfo.
Kate is not the year above William
Yes she took a gap year, so did he.
They both got a level results August 2000 and in September he announced he would be going to St As a year later.

It may well be Kate then changed her mind.
Lots of people did. Applications for St As went up loads.
Wouldn't you? If you were same year as future king?

But it's not like they were strangers. They definitely already knew of each other through mutual friends/circles.
It's entirely possible that the Palace ASKED Kate to change uni in an effort to load Wills Hall of residence and course with people of a certain type, if not people he knew then people that were known to be comfortable around the upper classes.

I have no doubt Kate was approved and vetted before they were allowed to marry but their pictures together....not at formal occasions....they look genuinely happy with each other.

woahhhh · 19/03/2024 07:18

@Mumof2teens79

I find the narrative a bit peculiar. That they socialised but it wasn't until Kate was in a fashion show half naked that he is supposed to have said 'Wow Fergus, Kate's hot' to his mate.

So he hadn't noticed her in that way before? She had to be semi clad for him to think she was dateable?