Carole & Michael Middleton orchestrated children's future from birth?

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Aibu to think the Middleton's very single handedly claimed the social ladder seamlessly? All three children are wildly rich & accepted in the highest echleons of society. Aibu to think that was no accident but carefully mapped out from birth?

I think Harry would have dated Pippa but she had other ideas.

I can certainly imagine KM’s parents pushing/enabling their children to join the “rah” group at school and university, which would include some very wealthy and titled people. I can’t imagine them being deluded enough to think they could target a royal specifically, before their child has ever even met that royal.

My dd goes to private school and skis. I fear she is a little too old at 15….

He had a marshmallow business called Boompf (something to that effect) that actually went Boompf now he's breeding Cocker Spaniels..

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I wouldn't be surprised if Kate ( with her parents encouragment) deffered her degree, picked St Andrews and her uni course to move in same circles as Prince William and she certainly went for it on that uni fashion show!
So I think she was trying to catch his eye!
Clearly they all had all the advantages money , education and connections could get you. And yes I'm sure it doesn't happen entirely by accident but there's no guarantees.

The urban legend that the Middletons aspired for baby Catherine to one day meet and marry William seems remarkably persistent. It's interesting that modern society is so wedded to the fictional archetype of the conniving, ambitious mother-of-daughters who has supernatural powers of manipulation, enabling her to trick clueless rich men into proposing to her daughters. Surely this archetype originated in Victorian society, if not earlier? If there was ever any truth in it, how can it apply to modern 21st British society?

If either of them were told to look for a future spouse at university, it would have been William. William's the one who was brought up knowing it was crucial to have heirs with a suitable woman. He would have come into contact with plenty of young women at university, and he had full control of himself when he decided whether to ask any of them on a date.

No, they are intelligent people who worked their tails off setting up a successful business, and gave their children a decent start in life.

It's their misfortune that they did this in a country where knowing your place is the unwritten rule. If they had done it elsewhere, nobody would bat an eyelid at them.

My guess is they regularly have a good laugh at all the silliness that is spouted about them.

Don’t know but I’ve definitely met people that only view others in terms of how they can help them get on in life. And they don’t associate with others that don’t fit the bill. Ambition and ruthlessness are natural for some.

I thought it was pretty low of the crown to portray Carole that way actually, a) it was ridiculous to think anyone could manipulate their daughter to marry in to the RF, she may have wanted her daughter to have bragging rights that she was at the same uni at William but I doubt it went beyond that, and I’m sure there were bigger concerns when choosing her uni, and b) she isn’t a public figure, she doesn’t have the palace to protect her.

Don’t be naive. You do know the Crown is mostly made up. They took very basic facts and embellished them to suit their agenda.

Why not just be happy with them marrying a kind man with a trade or a lovely woman whose a receptionist?!

I'm bringing my child up to be the best he can be in the things he's interested in, he's interested in the sciences, I do that because I want HIM to be successful, but who he marries I couldn't give less of a shit about so long as they love him and they treat him as a person and not as an 'occupation'!

Kate got with William. She was pretty, posh, wholesome and the right age. He had to marry someone who ticked all those boxes and it happened to be Kate.

I don't believe it was orchestrated any more than my mum might have joked about it, if I'd happened to be in the same St Andrew's cohort as William.

However, once Kate was married into the royal family, it opened up all sorts of doors for the other two Middleton siblings.

The Crown is FICTION, albeit based on real people. You must be able to understand this.

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The antagonism toward Elizabeth Woodville is an earlier example.

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Single most stupid thread I have ever read here. Thank you for sharing OP

I'd like my DC to marry intelligent professionals with STEM degrees

That's ... very specific

I think them mapping it out from birth is probably a stretch, but they recognised the added value and step up the posh private school would give them. That probably made the most difference for all three offspring. The thing that was pure chance, however, which skyrocketed their social standing, was Catherine and William. I'm not sure even the most ambitious social climber could have engineered that.

Very driven family,uncle Gary and Carole both 'multis' ( his words) before the age of thirty, they were mixing in the right circles. As uncle Gary said 'she wasn't exactly a commoner' if it wasn't William she'd have still married well.

Aibu to think that was no accident but carefully mapped out from birth?

What a ridiculous notion.

I would imagine that at least 90% of the other girls in William's year were straight, rich, sporty, well educated and well mannered.

A fair % of those were also very pretty ...

and a fair % of the pretty, straight, sporty, posh, rich, easy going ones would also have been 'suitable' wrt their lack of previous behaviour.

In that pool he happened to spot Kate and she was happy to go with him. It could have been one of the other girls and then i guess OP would have been saying the same thing but about the Ponsanby-Smythes or the Gention-Violets ...

Were all the girls in that year put there as fodder for William by their parents? No, of course not, but i bet a fair few of their parents realised the possibility was there and weren't averse to the idea .... which is probably more or less how it was with the Middletons.

He also had a cake business that would print photos on the top. We got one with Josef Fritzl just to see if he’d do it, thought about alerting the Daily Mail to it, decided not to bother.

So what if they did? Old news, no one honestly cares (surely). It happens all the time in upper class circles, it’ll happen with George too. Doesn’t mean the plan will work but they’ll still give it a go and get their daughters in George’s sights. For all any of us know there could have been dozens of parents at the uni with the same plan.

when I first read this post, I thought cmon that’s silly, don’t be silly. but then I remembered a camping trip that we (DH, DD, me) went on when DD was around three years old. it was arranged by a work colleague who invited all of her friends and to be honest we didn’t know any of them very well at all. One evening the parents were all sitting around chatting and a parent with older children who were going into secondary started discussing the social scene at the school. he told us that he had identified the right people to know and who his children should be friends with. I sort of sat there completely shocked and had no response. I’m American and I just don’t think like that. But I guess it’s kind of normal here? My husband said yeah the way a lot of parents think. I’m just not that clever, I guess. I don’t think it’s reasonable to think that they thought their daughter would marry the future king, but I think it’s entirely reasonable to think that they set them up to make the best of their circumstances.