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To be disgusted at what my DH has said.

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Sweetcherrypiee · 16/03/2024 01:39

My DH has very sadly just lost his DB after a long illness. His DBs wife has early onset dementia (mid 50s). They were together since they were 18 and my DH has known her since then.

Yesterday we went out for a meal to discuss things as a family. DH refused to have her there and his words were ‘she’s not my responsibility’. He has basically wiped his hands of her now his DB has passed away and has basically said after the funeral he won’t be there to support her going forward. I feel disgusted with his attitude towards her. They never had any issues or have argued. I know he is grieving but she has also just lost him and with having dementia needs extra support.

His DB would be so sad at this attitude also.

OP posts:
Librarybooker · 16/03/2024 10:43

A sad situation OP. I suppose there is something about how grief can impact on these things and everyone copes differently.

I lost my bro 5 years ago. It brought my SIL and I closer. Both my elderly parents passed away recently and she has been a great support to them over the years. When the hospital phoned to say they thought my father had only hours left, she jumped in the car and drove straight over. My nephews are step nephews from her previous marriage but they are family just the same.

AmaryllisChorus · 16/03/2024 10:45

MyGooseisTotallyLoose · 16/03/2024 07:14

What are you expecting him to do?

She was expecting him to invite the woman to lunch! That's not being coerced into 'taking responsibility.' It falls under 'showing compassion'!

lifebeginsaftercoffee · 16/03/2024 10:47

AmaryllisChorus · 16/03/2024 10:45

She was expecting him to invite the woman to lunch! That's not being coerced into 'taking responsibility.' It falls under 'showing compassion'!

The meal was "to discuss things as a family" - it wasn't just a social get together.

user1494250093 · 16/03/2024 10:49

When my father died I said some stuff that I bitterly regret. Grief is so painful that people react in unexpected ways. Be kind to him and see what the situation is like in six months. Sending love to you both - it must be so hard for you.

TDIAP · 16/03/2024 10:55

I think it was a callous comment, but I’m on the fence about it too.
Dementia is a hard thing to deal with and maybe he think there’s an expectation now his brother has died that he will have to step up and help and he doesn’t want to. He could have chosen better words to express that, but he’s lost his brother and there is probably underlying anger about that there which has made him react the way he did.

Unfortunately also a lot of families don’t see in-laws as family when their blood relative is no longer around. (my in-laws are like this). It could be he falls into that camp.

AmaryllisChorus · 16/03/2024 10:56

lifebeginsaftercoffee · 16/03/2024 10:47

The meal was "to discuss things as a family" - it wasn't just a social get together.

So? That's hardly saddling someone with long term responsibility. And people with dementia can have moments of lucidity. It's not unthinkable that she should be invited.

Noirdesir · 16/03/2024 10:58

When you are burned out from caring (it happens in the caring/nursing professions too), it does stop you feeling empathic to others. You think 'oh no, not another one'. That's why care has to be shared out and paid for if necessary. People can give what they can give. You can make your own decision though, leave him be for now, and visit her if that's your decision

Oh gosh YES, I completely relate to this. I supported/cared for my mum, then my nan after my mum died, then my dad after my nan died. I'm an only child so no siblings to share the burden. I am completely burnt out now with caring and I'm afraid if one of my in laws or aunts or uncles were to need care/help I will not be doing it. It doesnt mean I'm cold or hard hearted but I've spent 15 years of my life running around after others and I simply don't have it in me to do any more. It's my time now.

Pressuring someone into caring via emotional guilt is the absolute worst thing you can do- they'll resent it, they'll burn out very quickly and the person getting the support will feel it in multiple unconscious ways and it could end up destroying their relationship long term. Paid carers are the best option- they arent emotionally attached to the person and staff alternate shifts so it isnt on only one person constantly.

lifebeginsaftercoffee · 16/03/2024 11:07

AmaryllisChorus · 16/03/2024 10:56

So? That's hardly saddling someone with long term responsibility. And people with dementia can have moments of lucidity. It's not unthinkable that she should be invited.

If it's to discuss her care, maybe he feels it would be kinder that she's not there for now.

I agree it's not unthinkable that she should be invited, but it's also okay that she's not. It's very common for families to have meetings about care without the affected individual there. It's hardly as outrageous as people are trying to make it out to be.

I wonder if it was a sister who'd lost a sister, whether she'd be expected to take on care for her BIL, or whether posters would have a bit more empathy.

SabreIsMyFave · 16/03/2024 11:16

donteatthedaisies0 · 16/03/2024 01:51

Do you trust him to look after you when you will inevitably become ill (if you are lucky you will go suddenly )?

Yes this! @Sweetcherrypiee I would look at my DH in a different light if he said this about his SIL who he had known for virtually 40 years. FFS it's not like his brother was only with her for 2 years. I know she isn't his wife, but to dismiss her and discard her in this fashion is awful. Basically though, it's because he's a man. Some men won't even stay and take care of their own wife if she becomes very ill!

It's a well documented fact that women will stay in a marriage - even if it's not a great marriage - and nurture and care for her husband if he becomes ill and unable to look after himself. But conversely when the tables are turned and it's the woman who gets ill, a man is much more likely to leave - even if the marriage is OK.

Basically, men are inherently selfish and self centred, and also lazy. It's how they're brought up. Their mummy treats them like the special little Prince they are, and waits on them hand and foot, and they never have to lift a finger in the house. Whilst the daughters get chores dished out to them, and are raised to be people-pleasers, and to be caring and to #bekind. They are also expected to be the main carers for elderly and/or infirm family members.

I had a great aunt some years ago who lived alone after the death of my great uncle (grandad's brother,) and had done for 7 years. I used to visit her once a month and take her cakes and takeout coffees and mcdonalds etc, and spend all day with her, sometimes with my kids, sometimes not. Her 2 sons who were some 15 years older than me visited twice a year. The week before Christmas (and her birthday was 21st December, so they could kill 2 birds with one stone,) and Mothers Day. No visit from March to December. They lived 35-40 miles away. I lived 30 miles away!

When she became quite ill and needed a major op, I was the only one to visit her. I visited 3 times a week for the 3 weeks she was in there. Oh a couple of her neighbours visited 3 or 4 times over the 3 weeks, but not ONE visit from her sons. Guess who the hospital expected to look after her, take her into their home, and care for her for up to 2-3 months? Yep me. Her 2 sons had no children. One was married and one was single. They both lived in 3 bed homes. They could easily have taken her in. I lived with DH and my 2 DC in a small 2-bed semi at the time. I also worked 3 full days a week.

I said to the nurse, 'there's no way I can take her in. I work 3 days a week, my husband works full time, and I have 2 small junior age children, all in a 2 bed house.' The nurse frowned at me like she was disappointed in me. I said 'she has 2 grown sons in their late 40s, what about them? ' She said 'they are far too busy, and have very important jobs, and they're men for goodness sake. I am shocked that you're refusing.' I said 'I am refusing because I can't do it.'

tl;dr, said great aunt then ghosted me. Put the phone down on me when I rang her, and disinherited me from her will. The 2 golden boy sons who visited her TWO times a year, and did fuckall for her got the lot. Her £350K home, and around £300K in cash, (I don't care. I didn't need her money, or want it.) With all that dosh I don't understand why she couldn't have employed a carer/nurse for a few weeks.

2 neighbours ended up looking after her by the way. Both women obviously.

curiousasacat · 16/03/2024 11:21

2 neighbours ended up looking after her by the way. Both women obviously

They were a bit stupid then werent they?- if she had 300k in savings and could have easily afforded carers to look after her. No way would I be an unpaid carer for my neighbour if she had hundreds of thousands of savings to pay for it herself

Gettingonmygoat · 16/03/2024 11:21

So you poor SIL is ill and has just lost her dh and your callous husband is refusing to ever see her again. What a cold hearted bastard he is. Sorry but that is bloody awful.

stayathomer · 16/03/2024 11:22

i can kind of see how having someone there who knew the person you’ve lost but who doesn’t have the filters that a person without foment is would have could be really hard, I’d quicker assume it was something like this than anything else really

ChristmasFluff · 16/03/2024 11:23

Anyone can be a good person when life goes well. It's who we are in extremis that truly differentiates the selfish and self-obsessed from those who have compassion and empathy for others.

I knew my sister-in-law (they divorced) from a similar age. When my brother died, I would have cared for her if she'd needed it. Bloody hell, I'd do it now if she needed it, and I've not physically seen her in 20 years! I know for a fact my sisters would feel the same. Surely this is the norm, rather than abandoning people as soon as the 'blood tie' is gone?

No-one is asking this man to do the hands-on care himself. But presumably his brother loved her, and his family as a whole are trying to come to some way of helping her cope. But no, it's too much trouble for him. An astounding lack of empathy for a frightened and confused woman who is still part of his family, whether he chooses to recognise that or not.

So yeah, I'd be disgusted too.

Itslegitimatesalvage · 16/03/2024 11:27

Have you ever cared for anyone with dementia @Sweetcherrypiee? I have. For my gran. I was 15 when she was diagnosed and, as a family, no one wanted her in a home so we took it on ourselves. I helped. Once I was 17 with a driver’s license I was added to the rota of going over alone. We had the whole family and it was hard. Upsetting. It was awful. She died a few years later and, as sad as that was, it was a relief. Caring for someone with dementia is incredibly hard and after doing it for my gran, I wouldn’t be doing it for a sibling’s partner. I’ll do it for my parents or my own partner if I need to, but no one else. It’s too hard.

If she needs care, then her own family can do that or she can go into a home. Your husband shouldn’t have to take this on. You can visit and everything but not do the actual work.

Itslegitimatesalvage · 16/03/2024 11:28

ChristmasFluff · 16/03/2024 11:23

Anyone can be a good person when life goes well. It's who we are in extremis that truly differentiates the selfish and self-obsessed from those who have compassion and empathy for others.

I knew my sister-in-law (they divorced) from a similar age. When my brother died, I would have cared for her if she'd needed it. Bloody hell, I'd do it now if she needed it, and I've not physically seen her in 20 years! I know for a fact my sisters would feel the same. Surely this is the norm, rather than abandoning people as soon as the 'blood tie' is gone?

No-one is asking this man to do the hands-on care himself. But presumably his brother loved her, and his family as a whole are trying to come to some way of helping her cope. But no, it's too much trouble for him. An astounding lack of empathy for a frightened and confused woman who is still part of his family, whether he chooses to recognise that or not.

So yeah, I'd be disgusted too.

Have you cared for someone with dementia? I have. I’m not doing it for someone I haven’t seen in 20 years. That’s insane. Have you ever done it?

lifebeginsaftercoffee · 16/03/2024 11:28

Gettingonmygoat · 16/03/2024 11:21

So you poor SIL is ill and has just lost her dh and your callous husband is refusing to ever see her again. What a cold hearted bastard he is. Sorry but that is bloody awful.

Except he hasn't said that at all Hmm

Icedoatlattelove · 16/03/2024 11:31

Itslegitimatesalvage · 16/03/2024 11:27

Have you ever cared for anyone with dementia @Sweetcherrypiee? I have. For my gran. I was 15 when she was diagnosed and, as a family, no one wanted her in a home so we took it on ourselves. I helped. Once I was 17 with a driver’s license I was added to the rota of going over alone. We had the whole family and it was hard. Upsetting. It was awful. She died a few years later and, as sad as that was, it was a relief. Caring for someone with dementia is incredibly hard and after doing it for my gran, I wouldn’t be doing it for a sibling’s partner. I’ll do it for my parents or my own partner if I need to, but no one else. It’s too hard.

If she needs care, then her own family can do that or she can go into a home. Your husband shouldn’t have to take this on. You can visit and everything but not do the actual work.

There's a huge difference between caring for some as a carer and washing your hands of them though.

Was op suggesting he do the former?

IvorTheEngineDriver · 16/03/2024 11:34

Sorry, but I am with your DH. Your SIL is her family's concern.

Delphiniumandlupins · 16/03/2024 11:40

Dementia is awful but your husband's words sound very harsh. Who does he think/hope will support him, if he (or you) become unwell in later years?

FlamingoQueen · 16/03/2024 11:41

This happened to a relative of mine - was practically ignored after her dh passed away. In-laws treated her like dirt. She doesn’t have anything to do with them now.
Hopefully, she has family that will be there and your dh’s brother would have been proud of him!

Itslegitimatesalvage · 16/03/2024 11:43

Icedoatlattelove · 16/03/2024 11:31

There's a huge difference between caring for some as a carer and washing your hands of them though.

Was op suggesting he do the former?

He said he wasn’t going to support or care for her. It’s the OP saying he has washed his hands of her, but I’m not sure that that’s what he actually said. He doesn’t want to be the carer for someone with dementia. That doesn’t mean he won’t visit and still take an interest.

user1474127873 · 16/03/2024 11:44

Given that the OP hasn't clarified what the meeting was about, nor what was discussed in the lead up to her husband's statement, nobody can tell if he was being unreasonable or not.
So until she comes back and does that, it's all assumption.

diddl · 16/03/2024 11:45

Do you think that she should be your husband's responsibility then?

Could you have invited her to the meal/do for her what you think your husband should?

Dontcallmescarface · 16/03/2024 11:46

Two things struck me with the Op.

The 1st being that everyone else went along with not inviting the SiL. If they really thought she should have been there the surely the rest of the family would have insisted she comes to the meal. The second was this ‘she’s not my responsibility’. If he had used "our" rather than "my" I could understand why you would think that disgusting, but he didn't, which makes me wonder if the family are/were hoping that he would do it so they wouldn't have to. He's no more responsible for SiL than the rest of the family so why should it be down to him and nobody else?

Lotsofsnacks · 16/03/2024 12:04

As she’s family, is he meaning he can still keep in touch and show support, but not do any of the main caring (her family will do this? Which is fair enough), or is he wanting to cut contact with her anyway? There is a big difference, as it would be quite cruel to just cut her off as she was the biggest part of his DB’s life for years.