To think this is outdated and needs to be removed?

[ballybean]

My son's school has an all glass isolation room in the hall with three desks, children are put there as punishment? Teachers and students walking passed

It wouldn't be a badge of shame in the school I used to work in. It would be seen as a badge of honour to be so badly behaved you got sent there.

OK, so what do you do when they don't care about detention, don't care about missing school, refuse to do the extra homework, don't care about the report card, don't care about being witheld from activities?

Punishment is supposed to feel unpleasant, that's kind of the point.

@fabric

You have to have some way to encourage disruptive pupils to reflect on their behaviour and have consequences for their behaviour too,

Ah but i know you are probably the type who expects 💯 per cent teachers to be a combination of support workers and social workers and emotional therapy counsellors at the same time,

Ah even though you probably couldn't do that yourself,
Ah easy to be Judgemental know all types like yourself,
when you don't have contend deal with realities of school life and disruption and bullying issues and pupils mental health due to lockdowns and covid issues and parents who think their children are 😇 precious angels at school times,

Ah reality of life we can't allways have our own way all the time

That just shucks is life really

Ah bless 🙌 them those disruptive pupils and school bullies everywhere with mischievous sense of chaos and mayhem and emotional and psychological mind and physical high jinks games and dramas they bring to uk classrooms,

Just a question,
as a child or teenager pupil growing up in school,
did you have the memorable mischievous experiences of being in a classroom with any disruptive pupils or and school bully at all?

Oh it's humiliating after what have they done to be in that hall?
Did your child's teacher give you an explanation or only your son's story?
I disagree with your idea it is wrong.
Today's children are going to become entitled if they have no consequences it's life.

Yano most kids who end up in isolation ect love it because of the drama?

"I was in isolation today drama drama drama"

Itll be a rare child whose self esteem is lowered because theyve had to go to isolation. Most sent there love it ( speaking as a past teenager who was excluded/In isolation frequently 🤦‍♀️ )

Yes mine too. Anyone sent to isolation loved it 🤦‍♀️

Smacking and a space to sit and realise you are socially responsible for your actions are two different things.
What did he do to be put in the room?
Self pride involves taking ownership of your actions kid ....in the real world we get consequences in the workplace too.

@user1477391263

💯 per cent agree 👍 with your good insightful post, !

Exactly punishment is susposed to have a bit or some discomfort attached to that consequence,
to discourage pupils from participating in that kind of behaviour in the first place,

@ballybean

The reality is you are being watched by big brother surveillance cctv cameras 📷 24/7 every day of the year,
When you walk outside of your house out and about in towns and cities shopping ect,

Whether you like it or not, !

So not that much difference for disruptive pupil in glass room space either too,

They are humiliated by being seen to have done wrong? That would require children to have a sense of shame. Are you sure this is correct? The children who end up with isolation or suspension at my school have notably low levels of shame.

For example: being confronted with evidence that they have destroyed a toilet bowl (shattered it) and caused sewage to leak out. Reaction: stifled laughter.

For example: having punched a member of staff because they were vaping THC, and when confronted about their choices, including evidence of their physical violence, replying "she has a stupid fucking face, deserved a good slap".

For example: having nearly been expelled (don't get me started on the 'nearly') for arson, when asked about career choices, replied thy would like to be a firefighter and laughing like a hyena.

Yes, these are delicate flowers who have a well developed sense of shame and can have their fragile egos damaged by a room made so glass. You have no clue.

100% this. Glass isolation booths are the least of anyone's worries when confronted with behaviour like this. Schools can't fix what they didn't cause.

Surely shame at doing wrong is the way all of us become socialised?

Then I can’t see the problem.

Exactly.

Shock horror, the room where the punishment for misbehaving is held isn't very comfortable and might be humiliating to the student. Perhaps if they behave then they won't end up there?

There is research which shows that internal isolation in secondary school is ineffective and disproportionately used for boys with SEN so I’m not sure this will help, more likely make it worse.

But a glass isolation booth isn’t an answer to a pupil being violent. This should be suspension and a phone call to the police.

Then they will learn not to mess about in class and disrupt other children’s education. The majority of children want to learn and dont want the lesson ruined by the tiny few. I feel so sorry for teachers these days trying to discipline disruptive kids.

This

I agree with you OP. These schools are raising people who will be young adults in a couple of years. Are we put in a box of shame at work when we make mistakes? No.

I was shocked when my DCs went to the same secondary school I did and there was an isolation unit. That didn’t exist when I went there in the 90s, neither was the punitive disciplinary framework which imposes behaviour points for things like running in the halls, two teenagers telling each other to shut up etc - our teachers knew how to deescalate and manage behaviour without every little thing become pathologised as a disciplinary issue.

You’ve answered your own question here~ “common” misbehaviour. It shouldn’t be common. It’s disruptive to the learning of other children and undermines the whole education system. Schools unfortunately have less and less reinforcement from home due parents like you questioning every decision.

Is it your child this room impacts?
no- then it literally has nothing to do with you.
yes- ask yourself what you can do to support your child make better behaviour choices.

Oh boo hoo, learn to behave then
And as you’ve only got your son’s account you don’t actually know if this is true

Schools are very different places to the 90’s, try working in one