To think this is outdated and needs to be removed?

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My son's school has an all glass isolation room in the hall with three desks, children are put there as punishment? Teachers and students walking passed

There are many more effective ways to manage this behaviour than ineffective discipline. My main issue with these methods is that they do not work. They especially do not work for the children. OST at need. I really hope you don’t work with young people as your post is just dripping with contempt, spite, and a lack of understanding.

So what if it’s humiliating for them? Good!! Maybe they’ll learn to behave and not be disruptive in class.
Has your DC been put in this?

Then perhaps they’ll think twice before breaking school rules? Seriously, this is not a ‘new’ thing. Disruptive students are removed and put into a room. Windows in are there to ensure that they behave, and if there are issues, other staff will see and can intervene.

Stop minimising your child’s behaviour and start parenting you child. 🤦

Bless you for thinking that was the real point of stocks.

peoppe say this but a lot of the examples of bad behaviour are no different, just managed differently. I have worked in youth charities for 15 years and there are a lot of adults failing kids.

Funnily enough they do work. They allow 99% to have a disruption free learning so enabling them to get the best out of their education.

The glass is likely for child protection and safe guarding. In our school, teachers are discouraged from being alone with children in spots with no windows and if they need to talk one on one, to do so in open view of others.

Isolation rooms aren’t supposed to be used to punish students. It’s more for if they are sensorily overwhelmed in a noisy distracting class setting and need to do work quietly but still under visual supervision of the teacher who can wander in and touch base with them.
Our isolation rooms are positioned within the classroom itself.

Surely not😂

I don’t know what the solution is in schools. It’s part of a wider social problem, isn’t it? Children and young people’s ill mental health has been increasing for a long time now, particularly over the last 15 years. Kids with poor mental / emotional health are quite likely to act out and be difficult to teach. Teenagers are the most sleep deprived group in our society, due to teenage sleep needs ( it’s a biological thing that they have different sleep patterns to us and are programmed to sleep late) yet we won’t change the start of the school day to accommodate this. Sleep deprivation reduces empathy which will also lead to poor behaviour. And schools have a narrow academic focus which does not suit many kids yet they are all forced through it. No wonder disengaged kids act out. Then there’s all the pressure of social media/ online bullying. Not to mention watching violent online porn in their downtime. watching violence and degradation is hardly going to improve behaviour, is it? Then there’s the pressure on parents, with two parents working full time as life is so expensive, there’s not a lot of time leftover for the kids. I could go on.

We as adults have created this maelstrom for teenagers and then we think they are just wee shites if they are not thriving or behaving in it.

We need a whole scale systems rethink of the society we have created.

Using humiliation as a means of punishment and control at a time where CAMHS is snowed under with teens with mental health concerns?

I would imagine it has an awful lot to do with the fact that there's not enough staff to mind the children who have been put out of class.

Two teenagers removed from class and put in another room to work without anyone keeping on top of them will obviously just have a muck about, so what's the point?

This solves the problem without needing additional staff to watch troublemakers.

Should have added that there is a general disrespect for authority now in society, and that doesn’t help teenagers or teachers. Teenagers need to respect authoritative adults, because those adults are helping them to become adults. If they don’t do that, it all goes arse up, doesn’t it?

My dcs school is in a very modern building with many glass boxes (classrooms). My office likewise (meeting rooms).

Stop being a drama queen.

I don't see how it's humiliating to be put into another room if you're disrupting an entire class. The reason it's glass is so that staff can keep an eye on them and make sure they are working and not simply causing more trouble in another room.

If we're going to have a little cry about their mental health, let's spare a moment for the mental health or the children who are quietly trying to get on with their work but are having their education rudely disrupted by troublemakers. I remember the stress of trying to learn with other children mucking about and behaving appallingly as a shy, quiet teenager.

Well it seems these are the only pupils who matter and they must be considered at all times and no-one else matters.
Timmy smashes up a class room. Throwing chairs at people, rip things from walls, calls the teacher 'a fucking cunt' and assaults her, kicks off to extent the other children have to be removed from the classroom? 'Oh you poor petal, what's upset you? How dare anyone say this behaviour is wrong, must be someone else's fault! Not you!'
Who cares about the trauma and upset for the rest of the class, the physically and verbally assaulted teacher. And consequences for this behaviour? Nooo Timmy can't have consequences that's mean and detrimental to his wellbeing!

Of course it's humiliating, and many on this thread seem to think that's a great thing This ignores the fact that for some kids it will have the opposite effect and be a badge of honour too.

Nobody has said there shouldn't be consequences for poor behaviour and of course other kids' education shouldn't be disrupted but making a public spectacle of punishment seems unlikely to be the answer imo.

When it’s a room that the rest of the kids can’t see the kids that have been isolated come back and tell the rest of the kids that they just messed around all day. It then becomes a bit of a cool thing to be in isolation. When it’s a visible room borderline naughty kids look at it and think they’d rather not be in there so are more likely to behave.

Me too, was very tiresome and boring being in certain lessons where classmates one mission was to disrupt that class

Just a sin bin for teenagers.

Maybe they should behave then and they wouldn't get sent there

None of those remove the disruptive child from the lesson though. Except suspension which is a bit extreme. These kids won't bother with extra homework so lol at that one.

These kids are perfectly able to choose to behave if they want to. There does need to be a way of maintaining order in the classroom. What's better - one child feels humiliated due to their bad behaviour, or 29 children can't learn anything?

Hmmm. What is the actual intent behind it? How is this communicated? Is it about having a safe and calm room that’s easily supervised?

or is it „go to your box of shame where everyone will gawk at you“?

The former would be great for separate exams, group projects or pupils that need a time-out due to overstimulation etc. (As pp just said)

as for using this as a punishment: yet again, what’s the actual intent? What’s the effect this has on the students?

And is it truly worse than sending a pupil to the library, lunch room or the headteacher’s office?

the culture around this - on the side of teachers and students - is crucial imo.

Whatever the ills of society, free education is a huge privilege. Acting as though children have no choice but to behave badly is part of the problem. Poor mental health does not excuse bad behaviour. Nor does being bored. Most of these kids don't make the effort to engage with their school work so would never get chance to find out if it was interesting or not!

Mistakes such as disrupting the whole office so that no one can work, verbally abusing your boss? You'd get sacked. That is also quite humiliating! Teenagers are quite old enough to understand that.

Making a mistake in a pupils school work should not get them sent to isolation but I don't think anyone said it did

Lots of schools have these 'glass rooms' some are used as offices.

The reason for building them is to stop accusations from students about teachers and to safeguard children.

If you go into a modern school you will find more and more glass.

I think it is a good solution, you do not need a teacher to supervise, teachers walking past will know why someone is not in class and can drop off work.