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To think this is outdated and needs to be removed?

565 replies

ballybean · 14/03/2024 23:49

My son's school has an all glass isolation room in the hall with three desks, children are put there as punishment? Teachers and students walking passed

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BioHives · 15/03/2024 00:24

caringcarer · 15/03/2024 00:21

Then they should learn to behave in lessons and not to disrupt the education of other DC. Why should the rest of the class fall behind because of a disruptive child who needs to learn to behave themselves?

Excatly,

caringcarer · 15/03/2024 00:24

ballybean · 15/03/2024 00:06

But see that doesn't actually work though does it? Because students are shown disrespect, lower their self esteem, they don't feel included and there starts a vicious cycle

Surely if being deliberately disruptive it is these children who are showling disrespect. Why should everyone respect children who are a nuisance in lessons. You have to earn respect by good behaviour not bad.

BioHives · 15/03/2024 00:25

warmheartcoldfeet · 15/03/2024 00:22

yes and predominantly children that were let down by society.

Put 'em all in glass boxes in schools then. That'll help 🙄

let down, how many had the red carpet and still went bad ? especially when you study some of the biographies of some infamous criminals

ballybean · 15/03/2024 00:25

@Gymrabbit I've mentioned multiple times this is for common class misbehaviour, messing, chatting in class. Of course for violence too. I understand children in rage need to be taken somewhere safe but this isn't what it's about. The kids are left in the box with no supervision and then the students and teachers pass by looking at them

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warmheartcoldfeet · 15/03/2024 00:27

gymrabbit

I was under the impression the OP thought that humiliation as a punishment was not the right approach to deal with young people. I agree. Humiliation causes resentment, anger and conflict.

WildBear · 15/03/2024 00:28

I've always belived school and society at large should be tougher with nuisance, so I fully support. Tough shit if you don't like it, behave.

warmheartcoldfeet · 15/03/2024 00:30

So all those here in favour of the glass box method:

I presume you are happy to degrade and humiliate your own children in order to make them behave/conform?

scoobysnaxx · 15/03/2024 00:31

Gymrabbit · 15/03/2024 00:00

ballybean

I know this is a radical thought but if they don’t like the thought of being humiliated they could behave.

This.

This really isn't a big deal. Don't do the crime if you don't want the time.

BioHives · 15/03/2024 00:31

warmheartcoldfeet · 15/03/2024 00:30

So all those here in favour of the glass box method:

I presume you are happy to degrade and humiliate your own children in order to make them behave/conform?

they would not need it as they would already have been brought up with good manners and that good grades gets you further in society especially when aiming for Oxbridge

warmheartcoldfeet · 15/03/2024 00:33

BioHives · 15/03/2024 00:31

they would not need it as they would already have been brought up with good manners and that good grades gets you further in society especially when aiming for Oxbridge

😄
That completely contradicts your previous post

Unless you are being sarcastic?

ZanzibarIsland · 15/03/2024 00:35

Which school is this? It doesn't ring true. Isolation units have staff in them. They don't just chuck kids in and hope someone happens to be walking past and looking in if something kicks off.
School halls are used for assemblies/lessons etc and there wouldn't be room to section a part of them off. It would be distracting.

BioHives · 15/03/2024 00:35

warmheartcoldfeet · 15/03/2024 00:33

😄
That completely contradicts your previous post

Unless you are being sarcastic?

one can hold different view points that cover different contexts

ultraviolet4753 · 15/03/2024 00:37

We had this at our school, we called it the goldfish bowl. Kids would knock on and take the piss, asking what you'd done.
It was more a badge of honour for the idiots though.
There was another outside the heads office.

naggynora · 15/03/2024 00:38

@Hermittrismegistus

Sacking people in the public sector is not at all easy. Employment law does not allow for employees to sit in isolation boxes in the middle of the office. Take away the ethics of this and if punishment worked, there'd be no need for more prisons

warmheartcoldfeet · 15/03/2024 00:38

So @BioHives ---- a (very) few criminals had great start but went bad, your little Johnny had a great upbringing and would never ever, ever be bad, all the other kids must have had terrible upbringings and don't deserve any chances so must go in the glass box. Yeah, that'll teach them

naggynora · 15/03/2024 00:42

If we want children to behave, maybe adults should lead the way first. From politicians to crime stats... fix that with your box

DysmalRadius · 15/03/2024 00:45

I don't understand how we are still blaming the inherent problems of the school system on the very children it is failing.

ouch321 · 15/03/2024 00:52

I've worked in offices with all glass partitions.

Per the psycho posters above I was being abused. Must update boss..

DdraigGoch · 15/03/2024 00:57

smooththecat · 15/03/2024 00:03

Panopticon, it’s a social and psychological control method in penal colonies from the 18th century. So yes, very appropriate for children at school according to mumsnet. What’s next? Stocks?

I would happily have thrown rotten food (no shortage of that in school canteens) at the kids who disrupted my education on a daily basis.

smooththecat · 15/03/2024 00:58

BioHives · 15/03/2024 00:31

they would not need it as they would already have been brought up with good manners and that good grades gets you further in society especially when aiming for Oxbridge

Oxbridge are really looking for this depth of reasoning. You should give it a go!

Louisevuitton · 15/03/2024 01:00

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DdraigGoch · 15/03/2024 01:03

naggynora · 15/03/2024 00:10

Presumably those supporting such a method would be perfectly happy to have this in the workplace also. Can't find a pen? Late for work? Rude to a colleague? In the box you go!

Modern offices have had these glass-walled boxes for years. They call them "meeting rooms"

redalex261 · 15/03/2024 01:05

I don’t think it’s a big deal. Stops the nightmares distracting others. Does not require a separate member of staff to supervise. Makes offending child feel mildly uncomfortable. Doesn’t injure them or cause lasting harm. What’s not to like?

Cocopogo · 15/03/2024 01:08

Is it possibly from covid?

CurlsnSunshinetime4tea · 15/03/2024 01:25

bazaar that the first thing that comes to mind is misbehavior.
what about a child that missed a class exam and needs to re-write it without distraction? a small group of students that need to work on some project together, i could see the space being very useful for a multitude of reasons not shame
to me it sounds like a much better situation than sending someone to the "office" or to the "library" when staffing may not be necessary or needed.

oddly their are families for whom your ideas of detention, report card commentary etc would be totally ineffective and suspension inappropriate.