I am not voting for Labour or Con…

[EddyF]

What party can I vote for that may have a chance? I do not want to waste a vote but may have to. As a young(ish) Black woman, none of the above present me. I was born here as were my parents. Originally from East Africa. Spent a lot of holidays there as a child but not so much as an adult, otherwise I would seriously think of going back to live there.

I have always voted Labour but they are disappointing. For the first time, I am thinking of not voting but it does not sit right within me.

I might try the Green Party I guess.

Well, I’m soft left and they have my vote. Without attracting voters who have voted for the Tories you don’t win elections.

If the Labour Party wanted my vote again, they would stand up for woman’s and children’s rights. Sadly they are not doing this. I don’t know why, I really don’t know why, unless it’s the influence of their donors. It would be such an easy ‘win’ for Labour. Perhaps they think they don’t need to. They could be wrong. The movement for women’s and children’s rights is growing, and people are seeing, day by day, how their rights have been taken away by the extreme gender ideology bull shit - which Labour are taken in by. If they are not - they need to do something about it.

I very much agree. This country is conservative with a small c, Labour will never get in on a hard left socialist manifesto (sadly). You have to be pragmatic, or we'll just have endless Tory governments.

have you read their policy??

https://www.reformparty.uk/policies

Zero rate tax for staff, but not managers? So, say, a ward manager wouldn't be entitled to this? And let's see what happens when all the admin staff walk out!

And zero waiting lists? That is completely impossible. We would need 5 times the Doctors at a minimum, and how are they going to pay for that? Unfortunately, they don't seem to understand what they are talking about.

And no mudslinging?! Just take a look at that page I linked...

Which of my rights has the labour party taken away?? What rights have been taken away from me by anyone else?

Are you replying to the right post there?

They’ve got my vote as a lifelong soft left Labour voter. Quite honestly I’d vote for anyone except Reform to get the Tories out.

It would be such an easy ‘win’ for Labour.

It would for the Tories too - if it’s so easy (it’s not and you know it) why haven’t they done it?

That's a bit of a myth. There's broad public support for the sort of soft left policies that Labour had in 2017, with a majority of voters in favour of banning zero hour contracts, building more council houses, higher taxes on the rich, nationalising the railways etc.

That's why they were only a few thousand short of being able to form a government.

It wasn't policy that saw them eviscerated at the next attempt, it was perception, Brexit and a mass smear campaign.

You don't get a party to shift its policies by voting for them, like UKIP shifted both Tories & Labour, you get them to shift by them needing your vote.

What rights have Labour removed from me? What rights have been removed from me at all?

Obviously a slip of the mouse! Sorry

It wasn't policy that saw them eviscerated at the next attempt, it was perception, Brexit and a mass smear campaign.

it wasn’t a smear campaign. I’m a lifelong Labour supporter and I wouldn’t vote for a Corbyn led party.

I had voted Labour before, not always but I agree with you

As a remainer it wasn’t that I wanted Brexit but I did want to stop the machinations of it every news round, dragging on and on

If it hadn’t been Corbyn but more centrist who knows, could have been different

Also agree with @Redrosetat

There's pretty clear evidence it was a smear campaign, from multiple sources.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jeremy-corbyn-media-bias-labour-party-media-reform-coalition-birkbeck-a7163706.html

"Weaponising Antisemitism is a history of the antisemitism smear campaign as conducted within the Labour Party. After an introductory chapter about Corbyn’s background and the forces ranged against him, we move to an outline of the history of the Jewish Labour Movement (JLM); then to the beginning of the smear campaign in accusations of antisemitism against members of the Oxford Labour Club; then we come to the book’s central argument, about the revelations contained in the Al-Jazeera TV series “The Lobby”.

This is followed by the Ken Livingstone row; the McCarthyite witch-hunt that developed against more and more Labour activists; the conflict between the two Jewish groups within Labour, Jewish Voice for Labour versus the Jewish Labour Movement; then “The Turning Point”, an assessment of the pivotal significance of the capitulation over the IHRA antisemitism definition row and failure to push back against Margaret Hodge’s verbal attack on Corbyn.

The book ends with “The Fall-Out”, about the disaster of the 2019 General Election defeat.

Winstanley’s most revelatory claims centre around the 2017 Al-Jazeera TV series “The Lobby”, which features “Robin”, an undercover reporter, and his conversations with various people who worked at the time for the Israeli Embassy, Labour Friends of Israel (LFI) and the Jewish Labour Movement (JLM). The central figure in “The Lobby” and in Winstanley’s book is Shai Masot, a young Israeli who had been working at the Israeli Embassy for an unspecified period of time; his business card stated that he was the Embassy’s “senior political officer” (p. 107).

Masot was caught on camera plotting with a British civil servant to “take down” Sir Alan Duncan, a sympathizer with the Palestinian cause who was at that time a senior minister in the Foreign Office. Winstanley writes that, after Masot had been exposed on Al-Jazeera

Sorry, that whole post tells me all I need to know about you. You’re part of the whole ‘It was a scam!’ crowd.

I didn’t say Labour had removed them.

Well I’m not sure. Are you a biological female?

Who has removed them then?

Would I have asked that question if I wasn't?

Yes. I am. So what rights have been removed from me?

I'll never forgive this current crop of Tories for the lockdowns and pointless COVID authoritarianism that was wounded the nations mental health and destroyed countless children's opportunity in life, as well as turbo charging inflation and destroying thousands of business.

Labour? Their only opposition to the disgusting episode was demand it all be harder, longer and with even more money chucked at it.

By the sounds of it, at least Rishi put up a fight to ultimately save Christmas 2021 from Whitty and Co. who wanted to lock us down again, so on balance, grudgingly, I'll vote for him. But he'll lose.

Ah, so you're part of the " oh well, despite the destruction of our economy, our public services, the excess deaths due to austerity etc, at least we didn't have a PM who pronounced Epstein weirdly" crowd.

One of the reasons there are 25,000 dead women & children in Gaza is because it's impossible to criticise the Israeli government without being smeared as an antisemite or, as Trump just suggested, of being a self-hating Jew.

Depends on your constituency. Lib Dems can unseat some Tories, Greens others.

None. Transphobic scaremongering as per usual.

once they get in, they will be able to be more 'Labour'

Purkey97 what is ‘more Labour’?

@Redrosetat

I don't think there is a shadowy reason (ie donor influence) Labour aren't more in line with your views on this. I just don't think trans rights or sex-based rights are a central voting issue for most people, despite some politicians trying to stroke culture wars about it.

Also I guess whatever Labour do about this, they'll be peeing off some of their potential voters (as some left wing people are pro trans rights).

This.
In my view Labour and Conservative are two cheeks of the same arse!