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I am not voting for Labour or Con…

469 replies

EddyF · 14/03/2024 08:13

What party can I vote for that may have a chance? I do not want to waste a vote but may have to. As a young(ish) Black woman, none of the above present me. I was born here as were my parents. Originally from East Africa. Spent a lot of holidays there as a child but not so much as an adult, otherwise I would seriously think of going back to live there.

I have always voted Labour but they are disappointing. For the first time, I am thinking of not voting but it does not sit right within me.

I might try the Green Party I guess.

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Sillypede · 22/03/2024 21:08

As Alexei says

I am not voting for Labour or Con…
Papyrophile · 22/03/2024 21:22

Not sure I'd take Alexei Sayle as any kind of yardstick, for anything, except comedy. I don't often meet the left-wing end of the Labour Party without thinking they are fairly simple minded. Back in the 1970s, they were nicknamed the "collective unconscious".

Sillypede · 22/03/2024 22:11

Papyrophile · 22/03/2024 21:22

Not sure I'd take Alexei Sayle as any kind of yardstick, for anything, except comedy. I don't often meet the left-wing end of the Labour Party without thinking they are fairly simple minded. Back in the 1970s, they were nicknamed the "collective unconscious".

Having mixed with those on the right, I'd say he was being overly generous.

DuncinToffee · 24/03/2024 10:30

Be careful what you read

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-government-misinformation-social-media-b2516194.html

The Conservative Party is almost five times more likely to be censured on social media for sharing false or misleading information online than Labour new research has claimed.

Sunak’s been pulled up 25 TIMES.

(Keir Starmer got 4 community notes in the same period.)

Tories censured for misleading information on Twitter five times more than Labour

Exclusive data shared with The Independent has shown that the prime minister was community-noted on Twitter 25 times over the past year

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-government-misinformation-social-media-b2516194.html

Zyq · 29/03/2024 10:08

It depends where you live. For most purposes you need to vote Labour because it is imperative that we get the current bunch of lying, corrupt incompetents out. But in my constituency, for instance, I will be voting Lib Dem because they're the best bets for beating the Tory incumbent.

Zyq · 29/03/2024 10:13

sausagepastapot · 22/03/2024 16:31

Keir will never ever get my vote. Tory it is. I think most women know why that is.

You're giving your vote to the party which has just given knighthoods to the men who blocked a bill making upskirting a sexual offence? As a woman, I have to admit I'm struggling to understand that one.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/both-mps-who-blocked-upskirting-bill-have-now-been-knighted-for-services-to-public-life-371400/

ilovesooty · 29/03/2024 12:46

Zyq · 29/03/2024 10:13

You're giving your vote to the party which has just given knighthoods to the men who blocked a bill making upskirting a sexual offence? As a woman, I have to admit I'm struggling to understand that one.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/both-mps-who-blocked-upskirting-bill-have-now-been-knighted-for-services-to-public-life-371400/

I think those who plan to vote Conservative because they think the Conservatives have women's interests at heart need to be constantly reminded of this. Sunak actually endorses these appalling men.

lifeonapersiancarpet · 29/03/2024 22:57

DuncinToffee · 24/03/2024 10:30

Be careful what you read

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-government-misinformation-social-media-b2516194.html

The Conservative Party is almost five times more likely to be censured on social media for sharing false or misleading information online than Labour new research has claimed.

Sunak’s been pulled up 25 TIMES.

(Keir Starmer got 4 community notes in the same period.)

And Angela Rayner has checked whether she owes capital gains tax (it's £1500) and HMRC says she does not. But smearers like to smear!

AndC · 02/06/2024 08:21

My advice would be to vote for neither. While we all agree on the Tories. Stammer is equally dangerous. A bear faced liar taking on Tories and expelling Good people with social values from Labour.

So all you need to do is ....

Google search tactical vote to get to the website. Enter your post code. Use this guidance to make you selection.

If it is between conservative and labour choose labour.

If it is between labour and someone else. Choose someone!!

OlympicProcrastinator · 02/06/2024 09:00

All this squabbling.

I just want someone who has a clear, solid plan to quickly and effectively solve:

Housing crisis
Fix NHS
Cut crime massively

Not one party has any decent plan for any of this.

Zyq · 02/06/2024 09:10

OlympicProcrastinator · 02/06/2024 09:00

All this squabbling.

I just want someone who has a clear, solid plan to quickly and effectively solve:

Housing crisis
Fix NHS
Cut crime massively

Not one party has any decent plan for any of this.

No party other than the Conservatives can sensibly come up with those plans unless and until they can have a good hard look at the books and work out how to finance them. We all know none of them can conceivably be a quick fix.

dontcryformeargentina · 02/06/2024 13:11

AndC · 02/06/2024 08:21

My advice would be to vote for neither. While we all agree on the Tories. Stammer is equally dangerous. A bear faced liar taking on Tories and expelling Good people with social values from Labour.

So all you need to do is ....

Google search tactical vote to get to the website. Enter your post code. Use this guidance to make you selection.

If it is between conservative and labour choose labour.

If it is between labour and someone else. Choose someone!!

Thank you. I'm going do exactly that

ToWhitToWhoo · 02/06/2024 15:08

Redrosetat · 22/03/2024 14:30

@ilovesooty It is peculiar that you think women’s sex based rights are a single issue. Women’s rights are a foundation for all females in this country. It is an issue that affects many other things. The fact that you and others are blind to that, says a lot.

You do not want to read or accept information that might challenge your views, that’s ok, cognitive dissonance is common in politics.

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'Women's sex-based rights' are a small subset of 'Women's rights'. Most of 'women's rights' involve avoidance of sex-based exclusion from universal human rights. Women have too often been deprived of the right to vote, to take jobs in many areas, to have equal pay for the work that they do, to own property, to say No to their husband's demands for sex - the list goes on and on. Most of these rights have been formally enshrined in law in this country, if only relatively recently, but are often not observed in practice. Poverty is one of the greatest threats to human rights and affects women disproportionately. And carers - low-paid and unpaid- tend to be women, and are often treated appallingly. And women's reproductive rights are essential to all their other rights, and are under serious threat in America, and were only recently established in NI. Women's sex-based rights- better described as women's safeguarding-are important, but we have to be very careful to avoid the sort of politicians who claim to 'know what a woman is' so they can put us and keep us in our place. Social conservatives are a huge danger to women!

OlympicProcrastinator · 02/06/2024 18:31

Zyq · 02/06/2024 09:10

No party other than the Conservatives can sensibly come up with those plans unless and until they can have a good hard look at the books and work out how to finance them. We all know none of them can conceivably be a quick fix.

‘Other than the conservatives’? Well why haven’t they then? They’ve had long enough!

ToWhitToWhoo · 02/06/2024 19:17

Zyq · 29/03/2024 10:13

You're giving your vote to the party which has just given knighthoods to the men who blocked a bill making upskirting a sexual offence? As a woman, I have to admit I'm struggling to understand that one.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/both-mps-who-blocked-upskirting-bill-have-now-been-knighted-for-services-to-public-life-371400/

And that's not even all about those two MPs and women's rights. Philip Davies, perhaps the worst MP in Parliament (also a supporter of racism, homophobia, discrimination against disabled people, etc), voted against two anti-domestic-violence bills and filibustered against one of them. Christopher Chope filibustered against a bill that would have increased the protective power of courts over girls at risk of female genital mutilation. Most Tory MPs do not share these two MPs' extreme views; nevertheless, they gave them respectability by knighting them.

Greywhippet · 02/06/2024 19:34

Going to vote Green this time. Will likely never vote Labour again and would not vote Conservative (or Lib Dem after the austerity coalition)

It would be fantastic for the Greens to get a good vote share and amazing if they could get a couple more seats. I would love to hear more from the Greens on TV instead of the likes of Farage and Richard Tice all the time. Some pressure on climate change and some policy ideas from the left would be a very welcome counterbalance.

I’m totally impervious to arguments about ‘having to’ vote Labour. I don’t have to do anything! The way they have treated some of their own members and MPs this week means they don’t deserve a vote and their one good sounding policy- Great British energy- turns out to be little more than a PFI project.

Fairyliz · 02/06/2024 19:37

purkey97 · 14/03/2024 08:21

None - don't throw your vote away. If you want this current detestable government out, vote Labour, no one else has even the slightest chance. I deal with politicians in my line of work and Labour are just currently playing the game to win - once they get in, they will be able to be more 'Labour' - at the moment they're trying to win over Tory voters. Voting Reform is the only other way the Tories are likely to lose votes, but by the sounds of it they won't represent you either.

Wow if that’s actually true it’s really scary!
So more lying bastards in office, just what we need.

HebburnPokemon · 02/06/2024 19:37

Overthebow · 14/03/2024 08:25

Labour aren’t any better than conservatives. I don’t think I can vote for either party and have no idea who to vote for either.

How do you know this?? Labour haven’t been in power for 14 years

Didimum · 02/06/2024 19:46

Vote Labour.

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