to disagree with gender ideology/pronouns

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Genuinely don't understand why this is a controversial statement, but somehow we're so far removed from truth and reality, and saying there are no more than 2 genders is enough to get you fired from your job and cancelled forever.

I believe in man and woman as science dictates, and that's it. Why is that hateful? I am not hating PEOPLE for stating this, because I simultaneously believe in the idea that any adult should 100% have the ability and right to freely express themselves in ways that feel congruent with their inner. I also believe people can medically transition to appear as a woman/male if they deal with actual gender dysphoria i.e. genuinely loathe of the sex they were born it; and I believe people have the right to perceive themselves as a woman/man . However, that does not make you the opposite sex. This is a perception, i.e. it is subjective...

So if someone does not want to refer to someone as their preferred pronouns, it is rude at best, but it's certainly not criminal as many people try to make it now. Personally, I will call you by your preferred pronouns because I think it's just good manners, but I honestly don't think it's the truth and I don't think anyone is what their biology (thus hormones) would reject. But we are allowing this to happen and the topic of gender ideology is impacting and in some cases damaging our children who have to deal with adult topics they are wayyyyyy too young to comprehend, as well as women's safety by opening doors for biological men into women's spaces that should not be opened. This is a big problem!

Why is this so controversial? Can we not respect everyone and their right to self-expression and femininity/masculinity across sexes without changing our vocabulary to affirm people's self-perceptions as well as rejecting biology?

If you think I'm hateful, I beg of you please explain why because I'm not getting this and it's driving me insane.

There are some things we don't need to "believe" in

Science doesn't dictate that the grass is green, or the sky is blue

Science can however explain why the grass is green & the sky is blue

There are most certainly not more than two biological sexes 😂

Chips also said there are more than 2 sexes, I wouldn't pay much attention to what they say after that.

Interesting, so you're critical of gender? You should come up with a name for this groundbreaking take.

There are more than two biological sexes- there is verifiable scientific evidence for that fact
Is there then.
spoiler alert: there is not, nor is there verifiable scientific evidence to prove this fake fact.

<waits excitedly for news of the third gamete>

I know that's what they said. I was agreeing with that. Biological males can present as women if that's what they choose, but they are not women, because sex is a biological state.

There are more than two biological sexes- there is verifiable scientific evidence for that fact

LOL

So men decide that the definition of woman must be changed to 'include' them because that's the only way to insert themselves into a category they do not belong in.

The word woman is simply the word for the adult female of the human species. It's got fuck all to do with 'gender'

If grown men want to mimic sexist fantasy stereotypes of women, regardless of their motive for doing so, they are still men, because men are adult male humans.

Men are never a type of women, nor are they female.

Yes, absolutely.

The big problem is that TRAs shout out that 'trans rights are human rights' - and I don't know of anybody wishing to deny or deprive a trans person of their equal human rights in any way - but what many of them are really seeking to do is to take human rights away from women and girls and add them on to their own (already equal) human rights.

It's just that 'transphobe' has gained infinitely more social purchase than the almost unheard 'gynophobe', which a great many of them clearly are. They hugely assert their dominance, privilege and power in insisting that they are vulnerable, helpless and the victims in all this - and far too few people see this extreme ironic dissonance for what it is.

Surely that's what we have now - and how all the issues began? The solution should be to segregate facilities by sex, rather than gender.

Believe whatever you like, nobody is stopping you; but when it comes to which toilet, changing room, prison or whatever you use, that is strictly dependent on your biological sex.

I'm just placemarking so I. Don't miss the evidence that there are 3 sexes.

"Pronoun Obsession"......the latest trend among attention-seeking fruitcakes, IMHO!

There are more than two biological sexes- there is verifiable scientific evidence for that fact. Biological males can still be women because gender is a social construct, not a biological state.

So how on earth does something that has - as you state - nothing to do with biological sex come to be used as a 'reason' for there being more than two biological sexes?!

That's like saying that a fish can be a camel because of the fact ('evidence') that a camel is nothing like a fish!

The solution is to segregate facilties by gender rather than sex. That way we can ensure that only 'women' use women's spaces

So all facilities must become mixed sex to accommodate the made up identities of a subset of men?

Also, define 'gender'
What EXACTLY are you criteria for segregation here?
Long hair, make up and a twirly skirt?
Feelings?

Believe whatever you like, nobody is stopping you; but when it comes to which toilet, changing room, prison or whatever you use, that is strictly dependent on your biological sex.

Is it though?

Are there laws barring individuals legally classed as women from entering women's spaces? If so, I stand corrected.

Ftr, I agree with some of the GC stuff like people born as males shouldn't be competing in women's sports, but the spartacus resistance are also doing a good job of fighting for the oppressed minorities.

I'm kind of somewhere between a GC feminist and a Spartacus.

Evidence, eh? Let's get a look at these additional gamete types, then.

Shame you didn't add the poll, OP. Here's my YANBU.

By every criterion except the most meaningless & superficial, trans women are men. If a guy wants to wear a wig and call himself Gladys, even grow some breasts, good luck to him. He's still not the same sex as me. He's the same sex as all the other men, and they're the ones who should be making space for him.

I have no opinion or care what other people call themselves, I was a female when I born over 40 years ago and unless the Guardian has told be any different I still am, if people want to debate what egg came first gender or sex that is up to them, I am still female and always will be

If there are more than 2 sexes & "Intersex" is now a 3rd sex

Why is it that geneticists can tell us if it was a male born with intersex or a female with intersex condition?

A variation within the species does not create an additional category

Most humans are born with 2 hands

If someone is born with only 1 hand

That doesn't mean the number of hands humans have is now up for debate

The thing I've always been curious about is this whole debate is why, if someone 'copies' something from a different minority race/culture, it's considered 'cultural appropriation'.
But when men wear clothing, makeup and hair to resemble women - who despite being 51% of the population, have always been considered a marginalised group - this isn't considered 'gender appropriation'?

What exactly is the difference? Genuine question...

I think we must always state whether we agree / disagree / have no opinion either way. Debate is healthy. And everyone’s personal feelings / thoughts are valid. Whether they are considered “right” or “wrong” it is your choice / opinion.

It does, it hurts women and girls.

This! The harsh reality is that the whole 'gender' debate is based on an ideology that the majority of people just don't subscribe to. Just because some people say 'it's a thing', doesn't mean it IS a thing.

The majority of people simply acknowledge there are - and always will be - just two sexes: men and women. Those people are allowed to acknowledge facts and uphold basic biology, despite how much a very vocal minority wants to convince us 'the world is changing'.

Wrong, @Crispsandcola . There are ONLY two biological sexes. Not one Biologist has ever and will ever say there are more than two biological sexes. You are deeply misinformed.

If there are more than two sexes, what is the third (and so forth) gamete? There is sperm, there is egg. So what is the third gamete?