to disagree with gender ideology/pronouns

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Genuinely don't understand why this is a controversial statement, but somehow we're so far removed from truth and reality, and saying there are no more than 2 genders is enough to get you fired from your job and cancelled forever.

I believe in man and woman as science dictates, and that's it. Why is that hateful? I am not hating PEOPLE for stating this, because I simultaneously believe in the idea that any adult should 100% have the ability and right to freely express themselves in ways that feel congruent with their inner. I also believe people can medically transition to appear as a woman/male if they deal with actual gender dysphoria i.e. genuinely loathe of the sex they were born it; and I believe people have the right to perceive themselves as a woman/man . However, that does not make you the opposite sex. This is a perception, i.e. it is subjective...

So if someone does not want to refer to someone as their preferred pronouns, it is rude at best, but it's certainly not criminal as many people try to make it now. Personally, I will call you by your preferred pronouns because I think it's just good manners, but I honestly don't think it's the truth and I don't think anyone is what their biology (thus hormones) would reject. But we are allowing this to happen and the topic of gender ideology is impacting and in some cases damaging our children who have to deal with adult topics they are wayyyyyy too young to comprehend, as well as women's safety by opening doors for biological men into women's spaces that should not be opened. This is a big problem!

Why is this so controversial? Can we not respect everyone and their right to self-expression and femininity/masculinity across sexes without changing our vocabulary to affirm people's self-perceptions as well as rejecting biology?

If you think I'm hateful, I beg of you please explain why because I'm not getting this and it's driving me insane.

Oh good, an entirely original and fresh take.

YABU. It doesn’t hurt you why do you care?

YANBU. That's basically a summary of the position 99.9% of the posters on the Feminism: gender board. You might want to wander over there if you want to discuss in depth. Though, to be fair, mumsnet is fairly likely to move your thread over there anyway.

Obviously YANBU.

But are you new to MN? You write as if you've single-handedly identified this issue!

You're such an edgelord. A goady one too. I'm sure you will reel plenty in. Enjoy!

YANBU

YANBU

'saying there are no more than 2 genders is enough to get you fired from your job'

'Gender-critical' beliefs are protected under the Equality Act 2010 through case law. You cannot be fired for holding those beliefs.

Actions are not, and in case law, a dismissal for refusing to use someone's preferred pronouns was upheld.

mumsnet users not getting triggered over things literal teenagers or chronically online/twitter users said then regurgitated on right wing media challenge: impossible

I don’t understand why calling a guy at work he on days he wears a dress is seen as practically a hate crime yet colleagues calling me the wrong name because they’re “confused” by my (fairly normal but more used in America - where I have family) nickname is fine and I’m petty if I raise it.

Honestly, I’ll call people what they want to be called but my line is medical and crime reporting must be sex not gender. Let’s not fuck up clinical research for biological women. And, for me, a trans woman is a trans woman rather than a woman. I believe these people may need safe spaces, but those are not in women’s toilets.

Look at the responses from TRAs here, and you’ll get a sense of the issue: ie, it’s ideology and cult thinking, not the human rights issue they like to pretend. Give it a minute and the whole trend will pass, thanks to amazing women like Jo Phoenix and Maya F.

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YANBU. I TRULY do not care how people choose to present themselves in whatever way makes them happy, but biology dictates there are two sexes, and the whole they/them pronoun identification is just ridiculous.

What part of what she said was unreasonable?

Thank goodness you have name changed to propose this groundbreaking theory.

Yanbu

The ideology behind it hurts girls and women.

If men can just declare themselves women by the ‘feelings’ they have, and we all have to take that dead seriously instead of laughing until our heads fall off. And we lose our jobs, our safety, our dignities and our rights in law, then that seriously fucking harms girls and women.

Please educate yourself before coming out with this #bekind bollocks.

I am sitting here desperately trying to keep calm and not get myself banned but this absolutely cuts me to the quick and Iam unable to remain silent. Children have gender ideology forced on them from before birth. Their parents and the people around them force their idea of an acceptable, socially constructed identity based on their genitalia, onto them without their consent and for absolutely nothing other than their own selfish reasons. Why can't you just be a human being and respect other human beings and their wishes? How does it hurt you to be kind to another person by addressing them in a way that makes them feel comfortable and respected? There are more than two biological sexes- there is verifiable scientific evidence for that fact. Biological males can still be women because gender is a social construct, not a biological state. The amount of effort and difficulty involved in obtaining gender affirming care and the amount of prejudice and outright violence which trans people face makes a mockery of people's claims that trans women are only transitioning to get into women's spaces/sport. I despair at the human race and it's unwillingness to evolve and grow. The growth is held back by people who are not comfortable with their own identity and their right to own it so they attack and villlify minorities who are just asking to exist. I have a close family member who is trans and this kind of post demonstrates the absolute degeneracy of people who I should be able to call sister not a danger to someone I love.

@Crispsandcola can you post a link to the scientific evidence that proves there are more than 2 sexes? What genitalia do these other sexes have? How do they reproduce? And why aren't they widely known about?

“Biological males can still be women because gender is a social construct, not a biological state.”

Males can never be women. They can only ever be a dressed up cosmetic approximation of what they think ‘being a woman’ means.

Dress how you want, be who you want but don’t muscle single sex spaces and protections away from biological women who are owed - and have a legal right to - safety and dignity away from
male bodied people.

The solution is to segregate facilties by gender rather than sex. That way we can ensure that only 'women' use women's spaces.

Gender is a social construct. Biological sex is not.

@JadeandGreen

Gender is a social construct.

That's what Chipssandcola said.

There are more than two biological sexes- there is verifiable scientific evidence for that fact. Biological males can still be women because gender is a social construct, not a biological state.