To feel sorry for the Tories?

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The Conservative Party are a British institution. The most successful political party in the democratic world. They're going through a bad time at the moment and have been dealt a bad hand. They inherited a global financial crash which the western world is still to recover from and then a once in a lifetime pandemic which has further crippled the economy. Now there's wars in Gaza and Ukraine. Really unfortunate circumstances for them to operate in.

It looks like they're going to get a really bloody nose in the next election. Starmer has taken the centre ground and now Reform are starting to steal their MPs as well as voters. Now even their biggest donor is caught up in a scandal. When it rains it pours.

How can they recover from this? Can they recover from this?

The Tories are the great survivors but it's hard to see how they can win the next election, or maybe even the one after that.

So levelling up in North Shropshire consists of rebuilding a bit of derelict canal. Together with the suggestion of reinstating a 4 mile section of railway line, which would have mean creating a level crossing on the busiest trunk road in the area.
Strangely these weren't the vote winner the Tories expected, when the by-election occured and the voters were more concerned about why their teenagers couldn't get to 6th form college, or why they can't see a GP.

I imagine they'll be back. They need some time out of power, to regroup and decide what they actually stand for (their mps all seem to be either far right or centre left with nothing in between where the traditional Tories used to reside). They probably need to own their mistakes, find themselves a really good leader and then try to convince everyone they're not all squabbling, economically illiterate, reactionary racists. Anymore. A few deselections would probably be very wise.

It would also be helpful to point out the whole world is getting shitter, especially the west - we're all struggling with many of the same issues, like lack of housing, declining healthcare systems etc. Some countries are doing better on some issues but worse on others - it's very easy to pick and choose where you want to make a comparison if you're determined to prove how bad the government's doing, or vice-versa. Until people understand that and continue to blame every bad thing on the Tories, I don't think we can move forward to make things better. We as a society, preferably a global society, need to have some very hard conversations and while we're blaming individual political partiers, we're not having them.

The Tories are an absolute mess at the moment and I certainly don't feel sorry for them, but most of the decline we're experiencing is not caused by them (it's just been massively mismanaged by them). I expect them to be back in two governments, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were only one. Of course it all depends on how Labour do - I'm not expecting much but would very much love to be wrong.

This is no doubt why so many of them aren't standing again - they know they would be wiped out.

Bit harsh on ideas to associate them with Truss really.

How does that work for roads? DO you have your own squad of diggers running ahead of your Range Rover patching them up for you? Have you reverted to private fire brigades with your house fitted with an insurer's firemark?

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Achieved Brexit
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The transformative educational reforms under Michael Gove
Levelling up - all the funding that has been directed to the regions as a result of this, the left behind areas
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What’s so good about City Mayors? Our nearest large city is Bristol and Bristolians have voted to abolish the post. After two City Mayors, they’ve decided they preferred the old system.

You need to give your head a wobble quite honestly!

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https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

Yes. And I've not even read the thread.

I had dinner last night with a family friend. An ex Tory MP. He might agree that it’s sad to see how they’ve fallen and the disgraceful mess that they’ve become. But really…. We need a change and to get this shower out asap. I can’t imagine he’d share your sentiments.

They're a bunch of despicable, money-grabbing, self-serving opportunists with all the grace, wit and morality of something brought to life artificially from pond slime. I wouldn't feel one jot of sorrow if they did a Kate Middleton and disappeared from public life without a trace. The sooner they are voted out, the better the world will be. I cannot articulate the extent to which I detest every last bone of them.

Won't somebody think of the TORIES!!!

Do they have feelings?

As a disabled benefits claimant I would say I feel equally as sorry for them as they do for me.

The Tories are an absolute mess at the moment and I certainly don't feel sorry for them, but most of the decline we're experiencing is not caused by them (it's just been massively mismanaged by them).

But that is their job isn't it? To manage the country effectively whatever world events occur. If we were talking about the same personnel over a 5 year period you could say, yes, they were dealt a bad hand. But 14 years? 14 years!! Come on, there definitely had to be room for some good management during at least one or two of those years didn't there?

Each year has been shit show built on shit show and a decline in living standards for all but the most rich. This has been visited on us by a revolving door succession of millionaire, boys club PMs and Chancellors, most of whom have left with a golden handshake, set up for life amongst a bevy of 'friends' who they knighted on the way out.

Naaah, they're like gingers - no soul.

The transformative educational reforms under Michael Gove

spat my tea out at that one. The last thing that educational reform was under above was ‘transformative’. Have you been in a school recently, OP?

Yup! Unbelievable.
Stop reading the Daily Mail OP and look around you...
This country is going to the dogs and it's all due to Tory mismanagement.

Politics is all about choices and the delivery of them. The Tory Party have made very choices and delivered them consistently.

I don't feel sorry for them. After the next election they will wake up and realize with full force that from 2019 onwards they willfully put the absolute crumbs of their party in charge. They deserve all of it. If a Conservative cannot be economically competent then they are lost. The moment they chose the glue sniffing exercise of Brexit they were doomed.

They will only recover when they get a grip on economic sanity and stop with their culture war bullshit. They literally made themselves irrelevant. Labour can barely take any credit. It's like watching a political heavyweight punch themselves in the repeatedly saying "look at me!".

Labour did practically zero to achieve this outcome.

Rishi, is this you?!

Sorry for them? Good grief I've heard it all now.

OP
"They're the world's most successful political party. Labour haven't even had that many years in power. The Liberal Party achieved more and Labour's rise coincided with their decline.

People can sing it all they like, but it shows a lack of respect for what they've achieved over the centuries"

Labour managed to slash the NHS waiting lists when they were last in despite not that many years in power. Shame it grew exponentially again when the Tories rose to power.

Lack of respect! Bloody hell - I have no words!

My ginger thinks you're very rude. But he hates Tories so will let it pass.

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Wise animals cats.

He's a beauty AND I like his politics. I'd vote for him.