To feel sorry for the Tories?

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The Conservative Party are a British institution. The most successful political party in the democratic world. They're going through a bad time at the moment and have been dealt a bad hand. They inherited a global financial crash which the western world is still to recover from and then a once in a lifetime pandemic which has further crippled the economy. Now there's wars in Gaza and Ukraine. Really unfortunate circumstances for them to operate in.

It looks like they're going to get a really bloody nose in the next election. Starmer has taken the centre ground and now Reform are starting to steal their MPs as well as voters. Now even their biggest donor is caught up in a scandal. When it rains it pours.

How can they recover from this? Can they recover from this?

The Tories are the great survivors but it's hard to see how they can win the next election, or maybe even the one after that.

@Alexandra2001

"Whatever we get for the next 5 years, assuming it is with Labour, by no means a done deal, will be a whole lot better than if the tories win again"

This reminds me of the political discussions at the time of the 2010 election where the popular narrative was "I'm voting Conservative because they can't be any worse than the current Labour Govt". Except they were.

Such is the current state of democracy where Opposition parties are elected simply because they are not the Govt rather than having any credible plan or policies . The LibDems are not better having a policy vacuum with some vague promises about fixing the NHS.

It's got to the point where there really is no one that I would actually want to vote for. And if that's the case then what's the point of democracy?

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I jusr read OP thought Covid was well handled by the Tories, surely this is a wind up!

That was point, in response to a pp.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leak-report-corbyn-election-whatsapp-antisemitism-tories-yougov-poll-a9462456.html

It wasn’t. This bar chart has nothing to do with the balance of payments.

Are you ok Nadine Dorries? Been on the vino?

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/six-person-virgin-galactic-flight-cheaper-than-sending-one-asylum-seeker-to-rwanda-mps-told-370587

@SerendipityJane

"Your insinuation they work for it is noted.

Not all wealth is income."

Sorry but I'm lost on this post as well.

Wealth and income are completely separate things. Wealth is stuff like houses, investment funds eg ISAs, pension funds, shares even cars.
Income is generally cash paid to an individual or company.

Now i can get income from wealth / assets eg rental from a house or dividends from shares or pension payments from a pension fund.
I can also use income to create more wealth eg buying a house or shares etc. But they really are separate things.

Now I am all in favour of shifting the tax burden from income to wealth. But I recognise that this would be electorally impossible to achieve as it would hit the asset rich income poor such as a retired couple in a multi million pound house that has gone up massively since they bought it. The counter argument of course is that they should sell it but that's not a vote winner either.

Lastly I have no idea what you meant by my "insinuation" or it being noted. But lots of people receive income from wealth that they don't work for

• a private pension being an obvious example.

Yabu. Is this Rishi or Boris?

They are utterly useless and psychopathic.

I hope the party ends up extinct.

My concerns for the future of democracy in this country just deepened further 🙁

That does indeed to be Rishi's aim, by the time he remembers to call the election will they even be the 4th party in the UK?

I would like there to be an opposition, but the Tory party as it is right now needs to be utterly annihilated so that it can fracture and so that a new, proper conservative party in the John Major/Ken Clarke mould can take its place. The wingnuts can all go to Reform or form their own Wingnut Party.

Yes please.

Works for me

I haven't found the Tories particularly democratic. When they haven't got what they have wanted they have just decided to bend any parliamentary rules and the law so they can just do what they want anyway. They do not take criticism or responsibility.

I agree that we need both a left and right leaning party to balance each other out, but the Tories are something else completely. A total departure from what they used to be. They are so out of touch and deluded it scares me. It is like they have landed here from a distant galaxy.

I think they do deserve to be extinct, so at least it can be seen that being divisive and using division to do the square root of fuck all apart from blame everybody else (in the face of economic crisis) doesn't quite cut it with the public and that all parties need to realise that they work for us, not the other way around. All the political parties need a kick up the arse quite frankly.

I don't think he cares, as long as the India trade deal is done before he is kicked out.

I agree with the first bit but I think it’s seeing a plane take off for Rwanda that’s his heart’s desire. It’s all they’ve thought about for two years now. Any sane government would have long since admitted defeat.

Which party do you think is most likely to succeed in doing that?

Sorry? 😂😂😂😂😂bye 👋 👋 👋

The Conservative Party are a British institution.

So is Broadmoor.

I can't wait for it to be over with Starmer off the fence and in the hot seat. The reality of his incompetence will hit home very quickly I suspect.

Harsh but fair and to the point 😂
Mic drop

Compared to the incompetent shambles we've got at the minute?!