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To feel sorry for the Tories?

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User135644 · 13/03/2024 13:42

The Conservative Party are a British institution. The most successful political party in the democratic world. They're going through a bad time at the moment and have been dealt a bad hand. They inherited a global financial crash which the western world is still to recover from and then a once in a lifetime pandemic which has further crippled the economy. Now there's wars in Gaza and Ukraine. Really unfortunate circumstances for them to operate in.

It looks like they're going to get a really bloody nose in the next election. Starmer has taken the centre ground and now Reform are starting to steal their MPs as well as voters. Now even their biggest donor is caught up in a scandal. When it rains it pours.

How can they recover from this? Can they recover from this?

The Tories are the great survivors but it's hard to see how they can win the next election, or maybe even the one after that.

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IClaudine · 17/03/2024 11:25

Have you seen Starmer? A permanently startled mannequin who thinks some women have a penis, but has no opinion on anything else and knows nothing

This is just pathetic.

MintyCedric · 17/03/2024 11:27

You feel sorry for the Tories???

🤣🤣🤣

This is possibly the most UR post I’ve ever seen on MNand I’ve been here a bloody long time.

IFHTTBIC · 17/03/2024 11:30

You're either a master or mistress of sarcasm, or an AI bot, or about ten, or you're independently wealthy and have lived in a bubble/box for the last 14 years, or you're suffering from Stockholm syndrome big time.

Nobody with an ounce of compassion could genuinely feel sorry for these monsters we currently have swanning about Downing Street and making their incompetent Mammon-worshipping cronies wealthier every second.

They deserve everything that's hopefully coming to them. They have destroyed this country in a way that even the Sainted Margaret failed to do. (And yes, that name is sarcastic though I am somewhat surprised her devoted gaslighted followers haven't set up a shrine to her somewhere. She was the start of all this but the entities we currently have lording it over us have taken her policies unbelievably far.)

BIossomtoes · 17/03/2024 12:40

Alcyoneus · 17/03/2024 10:59

Like others said, don’t feel sore be for them. Labour will make this crop of incompetent, corrupt Tories look like the best government this country ever had.

Have you seen Starmer? A permanently startled mannequin who thinks some women have a penis, but has no opinion on anything else and knows nothing. Absolutely nothing. Sometimes you wonder if he’s just a simulation, not a real person with real thoughts and brain.

Angela ‘oi scum’ Rayner who can barely strung a coherent sentence together without shouting profanities, but knew exactly how the tax system works when it came to selling her council house. Vile woman with vile behaviours and vile morals. A typical socialist really.

As for the rest of the Labour front bench, well, who knows. That mish mash of undesirables and clown like entities.

One thing you can say is that Labour have have been really good at meeting the bar set by the Tories for low standards. Only labour could be worse than the bunch of clown in government right now.

When you read a post like this you realise the depth of true blue frustration at just how badly this government has let its voters down. No attempt to justify or defend them, just a lot of hyperbolic, palpably untrue rhetoric. It would funny if it weren’t so sad.

DuncinToffee · 17/03/2024 13:48

It's difficult to defend things like this other than with 'but Labour'

https://x.com/ProfTimBale/status/1769319365801808281?s=20

'The UK has experienced the largest increase in relative child poverty between 2014 & 2021 of any advanced economy, according to estimates by Unicef. At the same time, 3.3mn children in the UK still live in “absolute” poverty

pointythings · 17/03/2024 13:54

DuncinToffee · 17/03/2024 13:48

It's difficult to defend things like this other than with 'but Labour'

https://x.com/ProfTimBale/status/1769319365801808281?s=20

'The UK has experienced the largest increase in relative child poverty between 2014 & 2021 of any advanced economy, according to estimates by Unicef. At the same time, 3.3mn children in the UK still live in “absolute” poverty

Nah, it's easy: 'Feckless parents', 'Sky TV', 'Nails and spray tans', 'alcohol and smoking', 'huge TVs' - the list is endless. The undeserving poor - that's how it's always been for the Tories and their supporters.

FixTheBone · 17/03/2024 14:09

'great survivors'

Like rats,

And cockroaches.

SomersetTart · 17/03/2024 16:41

Alcyoneus · 17/03/2024 10:59

Like others said, don’t feel sore be for them. Labour will make this crop of incompetent, corrupt Tories look like the best government this country ever had.

Have you seen Starmer? A permanently startled mannequin who thinks some women have a penis, but has no opinion on anything else and knows nothing. Absolutely nothing. Sometimes you wonder if he’s just a simulation, not a real person with real thoughts and brain.

Angela ‘oi scum’ Rayner who can barely strung a coherent sentence together without shouting profanities, but knew exactly how the tax system works when it came to selling her council house. Vile woman with vile behaviours and vile morals. A typical socialist really.

As for the rest of the Labour front bench, well, who knows. That mish mash of undesirables and clown like entities.

One thing you can say is that Labour have have been really good at meeting the bar set by the Tories for low standards. Only labour could be worse than the bunch of clown in government right now.

This is bilge.

pointythings · 17/03/2024 16:43

SomersetTart · 17/03/2024 16:41

This is bilge.

It's the rage of an angry Tory who knows the big defeat is coming, and it is sweet.

VimtoVimto · 17/03/2024 16:50

@Alcyoneus I hardly class Yvette Cooper as an undesirable and a clown like entity.

IClaudine · 17/03/2024 16:56

pointythings · 17/03/2024 16:43

It's the rage of an angry Tory who knows the big defeat is coming, and it is sweet.

And the day after the GE will be even sweeter. 🍬🍬🍬

pointythings · 17/03/2024 17:20

IClaudine · 17/03/2024 16:56

And the day after the GE will be even sweeter. 🍬🍬🍬

The day after will be when Labour starts to climb/shovel the mountain of shit the Tories have left behind, but at least it'll be a start.

I love it how the Tory fans on here always accuse those of us on the other side of expecting miracles - we don't, we just want a government that's prepared to put in the hard yards and undo the damage of over a decade.

SomersetTart · 17/03/2024 17:36

We just want a government with the will to make things better for ordinary people, not just their mates, donors and the super rich.

SerendipityJane · 17/03/2024 18:06

SomersetTart · 17/03/2024 17:36

We just want a government with the will to make things better for ordinary people, not just their mates, donors and the super rich.

If that were all the current cabal were doing, it would be - to an extent - bearable.

But they aren't just doing that. They are deliberately breaking as much as they can out of spite. It's impossible for them to not know what they are doing.

For that they deserve to be damned to eternity. And I hope they are.

These past few and coming months have been exposing the spectacle of a savage beast trapped in it's own den and slowly dying.

If you like some imagery, the death throes of the T-1000 at the end of Terminator 2 seems apt. The killing machine slowly revealing the ghosts of the people it had subsumed on it's journey.

BestBadger · 17/03/2024 18:11

LakieLady · 13/03/2024 13:48

Far from being sorry for them, I'm fucking delighted and the GE can't come soon enough for me.

The only thing I'm sorry about is the billions it's going to cost to fix the NHS, school buildings, housing crisis etc. The next government is going to have a massive task on its hands, possibly the biggest since rebuilding the country after the war.

Indeed. But Labour won't be revisiting the policies of investment in public service & house building that got us out of it after the war.

pointythings · 17/03/2024 18:13

BestBadger · 17/03/2024 18:11

Indeed. But Labour won't be revisiting the policies of investment in public service & house building that got us out of it after the war.

We don't know that. We know it cannot start immediately, but we don't know that they will not do it at all once their repairs have made some progress.

TooBigForMyBoots · 17/03/2024 18:23

Angela ' oi scum' Rayner who can barely strung a coherent sentence together without shouting profanities...

I think you're confusing AR with current Tory Ministers for Education @Alcyoneus.

BIossomtoes · 17/03/2024 18:29

BestBadger · 17/03/2024 18:11

Indeed. But Labour won't be revisiting the policies of investment in public service & house building that got us out of it after the war.

There’s no reason why a start can’t be made. There’s plenty of money to be found by redistributing existing funds. There won’t be any planes taking off for Rwanda for a start.

Zyq · 17/03/2024 20:23

Ofcourseshecan · 17/03/2024 08:50

I might sympathise (a tiny bit) if Tory governments hadn’t sold off most of our assets to fund tax cuts for their mates in the 1980s and 1990s, and continued to drain public finances since then, eg by cutting local authorities’ income.

They are the cause of our problems as well as their own.

No actually, even then I wouldn’t sympathise. They are too antisocial.

The only good thing they’re doing is giving a little protection to women’s single-sex rights and child safeguarding by refusing, so far, to allow gender self-ID. Even there, although they didn’t legalise it, they haven’t done much to stop men taking the law into their own hands by simply declaring that they are women. Police allowed to record rapists as female because the men say they are, and violent men housed in women’s prisons — Jesus wept.

The worst thing is, the tories are the only major party taking even a feeble little stand against this attack on women. God help us.

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I don't understand why anyone thinks the Tories are taking any sort of stand on the issue of gender. They've had 14 years to sort it out and done fuck all. They've also made it completely clear that, even the chance, they would start diminishing women's rights in a number of other respects, notably employment, maternity leave and abortion. It's not that they're taking a stand against an attack on women, they're actively planning and promoting their own attacks.

Zyq · 17/03/2024 20:25

Have you seen Starmer? A permanently startled mannequin who thinks some women have a penis, but has no opinion on anything else and knows nothing. Absolutely nothing.

He knows absolutely nothing? How come he's regularly running rings around Sunak and, indeed, every other member of the Cabinet, then?

Saponatheim · 17/03/2024 20:53

@BestBadger and whose fault is it that there’ll be no money left to re generate the country. Problem is that you’ve got the bottom third of the UK doing fine but other areas not so much. How do you re build them ?

43ontherocksporfavor · 17/03/2024 20:58

I see Starmer and I see an honest man, a very intelligent man of humble beginnings who has so much integrity. He is head and shoulders above any of the twerps in power.

TooBigForMyBoots · 17/03/2024 21:10

I don't understand why anyone thinks the Tories are taking any sort of stand on the issue of gender. They've had 14 years to sort it out and done fuck all.

Aw, I think that's a bit unfair @Zyq.

They put Self ID on the table. They funded Stonewall to go into our schools, NHS etc. to spread the word. They gave us the world's first trans MP. Hell, the Tories even wrote genderwoo into their Maternity Bill.

They've maintained a consistent, anti-woman stance since they came to power 14 years ago.Hmm

Thisilldo · 17/03/2024 21:13

43ontherocksporfavor · 17/03/2024 20:58

I see Starmer and I see an honest man, a very intelligent man of humble beginnings who has so much integrity. He is head and shoulders above any of the twerps in power.

You should try comedy as a profession. You’re absolutely hilarious.

SomersetTart · 17/03/2024 21:35

Thisilldo · 17/03/2024 21:13

You should try comedy as a profession. You’re absolutely hilarious.

I see Starmer and I see an honest man -
When has any investigation into his behaviour found him to be dishonest?

A very intelligent man -
First class degree, Graduated from Oxford as a Bachelor of Civil Law.

of humble beginnings -
His parents were a nurse and a toolmaker

He is head and shoulders above any of the twerps in power -
Who in the Tory party who has more integrity and has achieved more in their life?

Do you even know why you are laughing?

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