To feel sorry for the Tories?

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The Conservative Party are a British institution. The most successful political party in the democratic world. They're going through a bad time at the moment and have been dealt a bad hand. They inherited a global financial crash which the western world is still to recover from and then a once in a lifetime pandemic which has further crippled the economy. Now there's wars in Gaza and Ukraine. Really unfortunate circumstances for them to operate in.

It looks like they're going to get a really bloody nose in the next election. Starmer has taken the centre ground and now Reform are starting to steal their MPs as well as voters. Now even their biggest donor is caught up in a scandal. When it rains it pours.

How can they recover from this? Can they recover from this?

The Tories are the great survivors but it's hard to see how they can win the next election, or maybe even the one after that.

If you inherited a wreck of a house 14 years ago would you be blaming it for every bad decision you made since. I had to party in COVID because the house made me do it.
I didn't think people would vote Brexit so I let them vote not having a clue about how we solve the issues of getting out.
The problems are about lack of trust openly lying and trying to wriggle and slither out of the lies while earning masses of money

Well it’s hard to defend the indefensible.

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I don't reckon that's true,I've heard that mumsnet is one example of the silent tory phenomenon

There are more than you'd think but they can't be arsed to argue on these threads

For what it's worth I think the tories will lose but it won't be the landslide a lot of people are thinking

I just heard an interview with Craig Oliver who was Cameron’s comms director. He reckons it’s going to be worse for the Tories than 1997.

A bit like the silent brexiteers who can't be 'arsed' to list all those fantastic benefits?

I think quite a few of those silent tories are now loudly saying they will votte reform.

Mnet does not suffer from the silent Tory phenomen. There loads of Tories and they're not silent.

I think its more that they get torn apart in quite a personal way. I remember a similar thread where the person had gone through some significant challenges and also were pro Tory. They got torn apart, being basically told that they deserved everything they got.

I've been torn apart for my 'leftie' views on here. I've been called 'charmingly naive' and 'stupid' and told I do 'lazy thinking'.

It doesn't shut me up though.

Yeah maybe bushmills

I just remember the last election when there were a lot of people on here surprised that the tories won, threads were full of non tory voters saying that the tories would lose

Think they deffo will lose this time though

I must agree with PPs who have pointed out that that the Tory voters are noticeable by their absence on this thread, for the most part. There have always been a couple of very vociferous posters defending them at every turn on a thread like this. I wonder where they have got to?

Speaking for myself, as someone who would never vote Tory, I have no sympathy for them whatsoever. They have only themselves to blame for their disastrous poll ratings.

Thing is the polls were never in Labour's favour, and Electoral Calculus (which called 8 out of the last 9 elections correctly) called for the massive majority that Johnson got. They only got 1992 wrong, and that one was tight. So I look at their aggregate polls, I see them not shifting and I remain hopeful.

There's also the fact that my conservative voting friends (one of whom is a member) are disgusted with their party and will be staying home. They're small c moderate conservatives, and this is a chunk of the vote the Tories have thrown away.

Yeah, poor Tories. Not!

I might sympathise (a tiny bit) if Tory governments hadn’t sold off most of our assets to fund tax cuts for their mates in the 1980s and 1990s, and continued to drain public finances since then, eg by cutting local authorities’ income.

They are the cause of our problems as well as their own.

No actually, even then I wouldn’t sympathise. They are too antisocial.

The only good thing they’re doing is giving a little protection to women’s single-sex rights and child safeguarding by refusing, so far, to allow gender self-ID. Even there, although they didn’t legalise it, they haven’t done much to stop men taking the law into their own hands by simply declaring that they are women. Police allowed to record rapists as female because the men say they are, and violent men housed in women’s prisons — Jesus wept.

The worst thing is, the tories are the only major party taking even a feeble little stand against this attack on women. God help us.

What will they argue about though ? The evidence is right there that they’ve performed woefully the last 14 years.
What I can’t understand is why people are so welded to one particular party to the extent that they won’t exercise their democratic right to vote. If the Conservatives
had a more moderate leader
more recognition that not everyone has had a great start in life and can pull themselves up by their bootstraps
that shit happens to folk and public services are good thing
refrained from demonising certain groups
I’d maybe one day consider voting for them. Will that ever happen, doubt it but you never know….

What I can’t understand is why people are so welded to one particular party to the extent that they won’t exercise their democratic right to vote.

For some people it's as much a part of their identity as their religion. Look at the MAGA mob over the pond.

The worst thing is, the tories are the only major party taking even a feeble little stand against this attack on women. God help us.

Yeah, they managed do that so well in the last 14 years, especially with their majority

Like others said, don’t feel sore be for them. Labour will make this crop of incompetent, corrupt Tories look like the best government this country ever had.

Have you seen Starmer? A permanently startled mannequin who thinks some women have a penis, but has no opinion on anything else and knows nothing. Absolutely nothing. Sometimes you wonder if he’s just a simulation, not a real person with real thoughts and brain.

Angela ‘oi scum’ Rayner who can barely strung a coherent sentence together without shouting profanities, but knew exactly how the tax system works when it came to selling her council house. Vile woman with vile behaviours and vile morals. A typical socialist really.

As for the rest of the Labour front bench, well, who knows. That mish mash of undesirables and clown like entities.

One thing you can say is that Labour have have been really good at meeting the bar set by the Tories for low standards. Only labour could be worse than the bunch of clown in government right now.

Ah, wishful thinking and blind loyalty from a true Tory. Heartwarming.

Ah yes, the last resort cheap attacks on Starmer and Rayner.

Honestly I think the Conservative reaction to Starmer is at least honest. He is not Blair. He is a man dip dyed in the power of the State.

Blair was interested in what business could do for the State. Starmer is not like that. He may court business but I don't think he has any interest in how they do things. You would expect truly Conservative people to be worried in principle.

You see how upset they are about VAT on private schooling. That is a tiny policy really but a clear statement of intent. Build the State.

I 🩷Angela Raynor.

Pulled herself up into a position of power. Weird how Tories love this in everyone else. But not Angela Raynor🤨

But also you see the hate of him, well that's authentic too; and I would say based in fear.

The hate for Angela Rayner is so toxic. Conservatives go on and on about people pulling themselves up, but when someone does and they happen to sound a bit northern, the class prejudices kick in hard. It's pathetic.

Angela ‘oi scum’ Rayner who can barely strung a coherent sentence together without shouting profanities, but knew exactly how the tax system works when it came to selling her council house. Vile woman with vile behaviours and vile morals. A typical socialist really

It is worth pointing out that the police investigated Rayner and found she did nothing wrong. As for knowing how the tax system works, well what is wrong with that? Many of us take advantage at some time or another of the tax avoidance system. ISAs for example.

As for saying Rayner who can barely strung a coherent sentence together without shouting profanities Well that is just not true, is it?