To feel sorry for the Tories?

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The Conservative Party are a British institution. The most successful political party in the democratic world. They're going through a bad time at the moment and have been dealt a bad hand. They inherited a global financial crash which the western world is still to recover from and then a once in a lifetime pandemic which has further crippled the economy. Now there's wars in Gaza and Ukraine. Really unfortunate circumstances for them to operate in.

It looks like they're going to get a really bloody nose in the next election. Starmer has taken the centre ground and now Reform are starting to steal their MPs as well as voters. Now even their biggest donor is caught up in a scandal. When it rains it pours.

How can they recover from this? Can they recover from this?

The Tories are the great survivors but it's hard to see how they can win the next election, or maybe even the one after that.

Sums it up for me.

I hope they become unelectable for decades.

I hope they never recover. That we recognise that two party oppostitional politics doesn’t work, and that the UK urgently needs to change.

Going on what evidence? All evidence points to Labour being better with the economy every time, it's a total lie that the Tories are a safe pair of hands.

I do actually feel sorry for Rishi and his gang.
They have spent their whole lives being told how wonderful, talented and special they are, and then they discover rather late in life that actually they are pretty useless and doing anything when they actually have to take responisbility.

It is some kind of cruelty.

I detest the Conservative Party but I do feel bad for Kemi Badenoch. She spoke out yet Sunak hasn't exactly supported her, has he? I would have a rare positive thought towards the party if they were to give that money back.

Of course you're being unreasonable, just as you would be if you felt sorry for any other political party. But then I really don't understand people who say they support a political party either, they're not pop stars or football teams. Mild to medium contempt for all of them is the healthy position imo.

Wow, we’re all in it together aren’t we? How much did you pay in tax last year… Are your siblings or family being evicted because of section 24 tax???

Tell you what, I’ll just stop working and paying tax. Let ‘the state’ pay for me too (that’s taxpayers by the way…)

I'm a bit sick of partisan politics. They have some merits as do Labour neither party will give us Utopia.
I just wish there was more focus on collective long term policies

With all due respect you voted for them.

You do know that people who don't work also pay tax, don't you? Pensioners pay tax. Even people on benefits who don't have jobs pay tax - VAT is a tax, or did you not know that?

By all means stop working and go on benefits, see what a life of Riley it is for yourself. 🙄

That ship has well and truly sailed!

What would be the alternative? Genuinely interested as from US and here can see that the 2 party dominant system seems to be a bit of a disaster

I read somewhere that a political party's is only as effective as its opposition, and thar probably has some truth in it.

I in part hold labour responsible for our current mess - if they had put up an effective fight at last couple of elections we wouldnt have got stuck with the Conservatives for so long. Of course no one admits to voting tory, but millions did. Just like no one admits to voting for brexit (but millions did). Yes, there can be the whole blah blah blah tory voters are all millionaire idiots. But ultimately that many people aren't idiots. Or millionaires. They genuinely looked at it and thought that Labour weren't worth voting for.

And that's part of the issue, the Conservatives have been able to get away with so much rubbish and no one has been effective enough to stop them. Even now, Starmer doesn't exactly inspire confidence, but he is better than Sunak, a pretty low bar.

Seriously UK, we must be able to do better!

We tried that in 2010 - it didn’t go well.

And with all due respect I would not again, nor would I vote Labour who left the country bankrupt when they were last voted out.

It was a GLOBAL recession 🤦‍♀️

Ah yes, leaving the country bankrupt. Not as if the tories have made it worse is it? Austerity, anyone??

What did she speak out about?

Her record as Business and Trade minister is not exactly encouraging

Why should I pay income tax and NIC, if I could just pay VAT and council tax instead?

Why is it okay for others to do that but not me?

Nearly everyone pays VAT and council tax. These things aren't really optional. But sure, quit your job. Nobody even suggested that you should, you came out with it voluntarily.

Go ahead and do it. You’ll love all the leisure and living on a pittance.

This current lot have left it bankrupt too, so why would anyone vote for either of them again?

Basically, whoever any of us vote for is highly likely to be blamed for messing it up again too.

Most things in life are cyclical. So the cycle of people voting for and then being disappointed with whoever gets into power and what they do with that power, will continue on and on and on… Has it ever been different?

You can’t please everyone and this whole thread just proves it.

I won’t be voting this year, no point. All parties are just as useless as each other.

Good.

They are deliberately f*cking up the NHS to open up the British healthcaew market.

Over the last 13 years, they have destroyed our schools, local Council services, the Police, our justice system and in the last year, the economy. They have completely messed up our country.

Brexit was their idea and their fault.

They more than deserve to be wiped out at the polls.

Well the alternative at the start of the recession was to let the banking system collapse and I don't think people with savings, pensions, stocks and shares, isa's, mortgages, and people who don't get paid cash in hand (so most of the working population, plus those who receive benefits) would have been okay with that somehow.

I also think that people who don't bother to vote don't have a right to moan. Spoil your ballot by all means but don't do nothing.

Sorry (not being pokey here) but I don’t understand your point. Genuinely interested to understand who you would recommend I should vote for please.