To feel sorry for the Tories?

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The Conservative Party are a British institution. The most successful political party in the democratic world. They're going through a bad time at the moment and have been dealt a bad hand. They inherited a global financial crash which the western world is still to recover from and then a once in a lifetime pandemic which has further crippled the economy. Now there's wars in Gaza and Ukraine. Really unfortunate circumstances for them to operate in.

It looks like they're going to get a really bloody nose in the next election. Starmer has taken the centre ground and now Reform are starting to steal their MPs as well as voters. Now even their biggest donor is caught up in a scandal. When it rains it pours.

How can they recover from this? Can they recover from this?

The Tories are the great survivors but it's hard to see how they can win the next election, or maybe even the one after that.

Sorry for those bastards? Sorry but feck off if I’m feeling sorry for them! Scum of the earth

Point is after the recession you voted tory and now you're complaining they are too tory for you

I advise you read the manifestos of all the political parties and cast a vote based on what you've ascertained from them and how they fit your vision for modern society. If none of them will do, spoil your ballot, you at least get to show the parties you don't like what you truly think of them

thanks, in your opinion who should people have voted for after that financial crash?

Depends what people wanted after the financial crash and what they were promised. I don't speak for the whole of the electorate, only myself and I know how I voted (hint: not tory). In a democracy we get the government we deserve.

I voted YANBU @User135644. The Tories were the most successful democratically elected party in history and now they're over. Destroyed. By their own hands.

It's all a bit Shakespearean.

Me? I''m relishing in the Schadenfreude.

😂

I do not for a second felt sorry for them, never have done and never will.
I pray there's few and far between who think like you.
I'm a raging leftie, but you only have to have a modicum of knowledge and foresight to know they have fucked this country into the ground over the last 14 years and their government is selfish self-serving bullshit that offers no benefit to ordinary working families, public services, schools, the list is endless.
Get the lying scheming cunts out.

🤣 Christ no I have ZERO sympathy for that shower

This thread makes me incredibly sad about how we have ALL been let down and impacted in recent times.

I do remember the positivity in 1997 when new Labour came to power. Things genuinely seemed great. People seemed happy, it seemed we all had enough. Maybe I was in a bubble.

I won’t be sad to see the back of this awful government. Just hope the next lot can do vastly better.

Sleep well all, off to bed as need to be up at 5am for work. Thanks for the valuable thoughts and opinions shared.

Let's think about this for a moment. Frank Hester became a wealthy (400m) man by getting public sector contracts. Money paid by tax payers. As a thank you he gave the tories 10m an amount that Rishi Sunak said today he wouldn't return despite the man being a racist and misogynistic. What do you think?

The Conservative Party are a British institution.

This is why Tory voters vote Tory unquestionably - it's all senseless rhetoric.

I rarely read party manifestos, but I did back in 1997 just before Blair got in and the difference was shocking.

The Conservatives' was completely ideological and rhetorical while Labour's dealt in actual, quantifiable policy change.

They inherited a global financial crash which the western world is still to recover from and then a once in a lifetime pandemic which has further crippled the economy. Now there's wars in Gaza and Ukraine. Really unfortunate circumstances for them to operate in.

None of these were problems suffered uniquely by either the UK or the Tories. So how do you account for the fact that this government handled them so much worse than other countries' governments?

You don't think the financial problems might have even a smidgen to do with little episodes like Kwarteng and Truss totally crashing the economy overnight? Let alone wasting billions on fat contracts with their cronies like Fujitsu and Michelle Mone, cutting us off from our best markets in the EU, and horrendous short-termism in basics like education, the justice system, and the health system?

Poor Churchill would be spinning in his grave at being called in aid of this bunch of corrupt, lying incompetents. They're still desperately trying to trash his Human Rights legacy.

Of course we aren't all in it together. We never have been.

I was never "in it" with the people who voted Tory without a care in the world for the poor, the disabled and the vulnerable, and I'm not "in it" with them now. They have shown themselves unworthy of any empathy or compassion because they have shown no empathy or compassion for others.

And yes, I paid tens of thousands in tax last year, so what? It's possible to have a successful career without becoming a selfish Tory who doesn't give a shit about anyone else. And no, my dsis isn't at risk of eviction because she is also fortunate enough to be a high earner. However, we both know lots of people who have suffered under this Tory government, and we are perfectly happy to pay our taxes because we understand the importance of public services and the welfare state.

You can whine all you like about how bad things are under the Tories, but you should remember that you put them there and you should take responsibility for that. And yes, by all means stop working if you like... you probably over-estimate the importance of your contribution anyway, most people do. Either way, you'll soon find that relying on state benefits is not quite the easy life that you imagine it to be, and you'll be rushing back to work and paying your taxes in no time.

I feel sorry for Labour (when they get in at the next election) as they’ve 14 years of mess to sort out and people will expect it done overnight 🤦‍♀️

What have the Tories done for us?

Same sex marriage- Yes, agreed
Achieved Brexit - They haven't "achieved" anything. Brexit is universally agreed to have been an unmitigated shitshow and disastrous for our economy. It only happened because Cameron was too incompetent to run a referendum campaign and Johnson spun a series of massive lies to the electorate.

Trade deals achieved post-Brexit. - How about all those trade deals we lost directly as a result of Brexit, which massively outweigh any we've gained?
One of the fastest Covid 19 vaccine roll outs, achieved outside of the EU - we would have achieved that just as quickly inside the EU - that's yet another of Johnson's lies. While the initial rollout was quick, subsequently we fell badly behind and are still suffering the consequences.
The transformative educational reforms under Michael Gove - You mean, like crumbling schools, a seriously failing SEND system, and a serious and growing shortage of teachers?
Levelling up - all the funding that has been directed to the regions as a result of this, the left behind areas - generally agreed to be pretty mythical
City mayors - Sort of, but are they really an improvement on the previous system?

It's all a bit pathetic really when you look at the massive list of disasters, lies, incompetencies, and countless instances of outright corruption that they have given us over 14 years. Overshadowing it all is the horrendous increase in the cost of living they have given us, which is disastrous for far too many of the population. The minuses outweigh the pluses to an absolutely extraordinary and unprecedented extent.

We are all in it together aren't we.

No. And we all know that now. We are in the shit. The Toriy Parliamentary Party, their friends, their donors and their families are creaming it in.

They've fucked over everyone in Britain. The middle classes, the working classes, the farmers/Fisher folk, women, the NHS, children, education, our very democracy itself.

For what?

‘Dealt a bad hand’ … for 14 years.😂

The thing is, we all knew that before the Tories were voted in. Nobody ever really believed that we were all in it together.

It's simply the case that some people mistakenly assumed that they would be in the privileged section of society that would get richer under the Tories. They have belatedly realised that they're not quite rich enough to play on that side of the fence after all, and they're furious to find that they're being shafted like everyone else so that the privileged few can carry on benefitting.

The people who voted Tory and now regret it clearly never objected to injustice or unfairness in principle, they just assumed that it wouldn't affect them. They drew the line in the wrong place.

This is a pretty comprehensive list of the Tories incompetence and corruption.

I agree with @MrsBennetsPoorNerves. The fact is that people thought other people would get shafted.

2019 is the year that Johnson, the most self serving man ever to be PM was installed. A lot of people said it would be a problem. Matthew Parris gave a clear warning; a fish rots from the head. Britain was electing a rotten leader. You cannot have a man like that in charge and not imagine the wholesale destruction of accountability and limitations on power. I believe a lot people wanted this and now they have got that and they realise now it affects them and that it will carry on as Labour are set for a huge majority.

Here's the thing. Those people are going ti have to hope the Labour Party will not look at this trashed constitution and think; oh good. A huge majority and now nothing to stop us.

Johnson set a huge number of precedents for an unaccountable government. You may now have an incoming government with massive power and a system that is broken and cannot stop them.

The above is usually the reason you choose a leader who works in a system and doesn't break it.

I don't feel sorry for them at all. If they had provided effective opposition and actually convinced people they had a clue in the last election, we might not be in as much of a mess as we are now. Putting Jeremy Corbyn in charge was never going to win them votes, had they put a stronger candidate forward they might have had a better chance. But the labour party membership put him at the helm - and Conservatives sailed back into power. So I also question the sanity of the labour party membership also!
Their role was to provide effective opposition to policies, they didn't do that did they!
Need to just throw the whole lot of them out and start again!

I do feel a bit sorry for them this morning. Gove is announcing that he is going to label many of them as extremists.

They inherited a global financial crash which the western world is still to recover from and then a once in a lifetime pandemic which has further crippled the economy. Now there's wars in Gaza and Ukraine. Really unfortunate circumstances for them to operate in

Which Western countries are in the mess that we are in? the GFC was 16 years ago and most countries have completely recovered from it.

Justice/courts and Police? NHS 7m on waiting lists? Brexit? state of roads? no Dentists? lack of GPs? lack of nurses?

Whatever the bad hand you might think they ve been dealt, the Tories have utterly failed to deal with any of them, they even gave us a Covid vaccine which the rest of the world quickly rejected as unsafe.

The Tories cannot even sanction Russia properly.... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11685551/The-luxury-goods-famous-UK-brands-sale-Moscow.html

Linked to the Mail but the story uncovered by Sky News.

They are too busy fighting each other and have not been governing the UK for many years now.