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AIBU?

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To think this woman shouldn’t have interfered in the restaurant?

407 replies

Goldenrainbows · 10/03/2024 07:16

We are away at the moment and went to eat last night in a family pub with an indoor play area which seemed to get my ds (3) a bit hyper. He’s normally really good in restaurants but was admittedly being really silly and swinging back on his chair and running off and not eating. I was doing my best to deal with it.

It really wasn’t helped by a woman sitting at the table behind us who kept interfering and shrieking ‘he’ll fall!’ every time he was swinging on his chair and making comments about him and us. I don’t think it was coming from a bad place but AIBU in thinking it really wasn’t appropriate? It was stressful and meant we couldn’t deal with DS properly as she was taking our attention. (By the way ds was far from the only badly behaved child there.)

OP posts:
Catsmere · 11/03/2024 01:51

RawBloomers · 11/03/2024 00:48

Shrieking does tend to be thrown at women and children a lot more than men because it indicates higher tones. If it had been a man it might have been “barking”, “bellowing” or just yelling.

Personally I’ve heard plenty of women (and children) shrieking. I’ve occasionally shrieked myself. I don’t find the idea at all unbelievable. And the OPs child being badly behaved certainly doesn’t make it any less likely to have happened.

You can of course, make up your own “alternative facts”, they may well have the popularity of Trump’s, but also the validity.

So speculating on the possibility that OP wasn't giving an accurate account (hardly unlikely given her responses since) means I'm doing a Trump? Give me a break.

RawBloomers · 11/03/2024 01:58

Catsmere · 11/03/2024 01:51

So speculating on the possibility that OP wasn't giving an accurate account (hardly unlikely given her responses since) means I'm doing a Trump? Give me a break.

What is it about OP’s comments that makes the idea that the woman was shrieking in the situation so unlikely to you? Why would she even have noticed the woman if what she was doing wasn’t distracting? What would have been the point of OP’s post if the situatio wasn’t the way she claimed?

Unless the OP has contradicted themselves or they have made a claim that is impossible or difficult for it to be true, speculating that what they have said is made up is pointless and merely used to enable posters to pile on criticism or be used as a baseless way to shore up a different opinion. So pretty much exactly “a Trump”, yes.

IloveAslan · 11/03/2024 03:35

Goldenrainbows · 10/03/2024 07:44

I agree children should absolutely not be running round in restaurants but stopping him doing this was made harder by her as she kept talking so my attention would be diverted by her and then ds would try to run off (to the play area we were next to, he wasn’t just randomly doing laps.)

Weak excuse, very weak excuse.

This thread isn't going quite the way you thought, is it?

IloveAslan · 11/03/2024 03:38

Americano75 · 10/03/2024 10:25

I'm going to go against the grain here too and say she was being ridiculous. One, it's none of her business and two she's making things worse. She sounds like the sort of person who goes to a zoo and moans about the smell of animal shit.

Except that when someone goes to a zoo they should expect animal shit.

No-one going out for a meal should have to expect badly behaved children!!! It is someone's business if a child is disruptive in a restaurant. There are ways of dealing with children playing up and good parents know this and act.

Itwasafterallallaboutme · 11/03/2024 03:40

Dotty2dot · 10/03/2024 10:15

It's broken Briton, the child will end up in a young offenders institute, blah,blah and all the other sanctimonious crap people on MN come out with.All because a 3 year old was being a 3 year old.

No, it is not at all about a 3 year old being a 3 year old.

It is about a parent either not understanding what 'being a parent' means, or about a parent not 'caring enough about their child' to start actually parenting it. I think, and hope, that the OP falls within the first category, because if she takes to heart what the majority of people are saying here, then she will know to start finding out about what being a parent really means and entails.

IloveAslan · 11/03/2024 03:43

Yalta · 10/03/2024 11:57

If someone wants a quiet dinner in peace then then why would she choose a family restaurant with a children’s play area?

I've been to several restaurants with play areas. The kids stay in the play areas and play. If they do come out their parents generally take them back and stay with them, not let them go backwards and forwards at will. Also, how was this child swinging on his seat in a play area?

KomodoOhno · 11/03/2024 04:10

IloveAslan · 11/03/2024 03:35

Weak excuse, very weak excuse.

This thread isn't going quite the way you thought, is it?

Right. It makes no sense that the woman's comment stopped her from parenting.

Americano75 · 11/03/2024 06:28

IloveAslan · 11/03/2024 03:38

Except that when someone goes to a zoo they should expect animal shit.

No-one going out for a meal should have to expect badly behaved children!!! It is someone's business if a child is disruptive in a restaurant. There are ways of dealing with children playing up and good parents know this and act.

Except if I go to a family friendly restaurant I expect to see the odd child going off on one. If I go to a more upmarket establishment I would not. That's basic common sense.

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 11/03/2024 09:03

RawBloomers · 10/03/2024 22:21

Shrieking isn’t simply annoying. It’s dangerous. Shrieking isn’t “in order” when someone’s in a precarious situation because it makes the person in that situation more likely to fall/lose concentration/etc. Speaking up calmly, raised voice if it’s noisy, moving to intercept - all potentially helpful. Shrieking or other distracting sounds - more likely to lead to a hurt child. Drinking isn’t a good excuse for poor behaviour, even on Mother’s day. (But equally, that applies to OP and lack of control of her child).

But shrieking can also be alerting someone to something about to happen. I do think it's irritating but not necessarily dangerous. And as I said before, if the child is about to fall, well would people rather they fell and no one alerted them or the person kept quiet and then they fell? This woman may have spoken calmly to the woman but been ignored (and OP chooses not to put this here). I mean it sounds better if she writes that some random woman is shrieking, doesn't it?

onwardsup4 · 11/03/2024 09:09

EspressoMacchiato · 10/03/2024 07:27

This is why I’d happily pay extra for child free experiences.

Parent your child OP

Assume you wouldn't go to the place with the soft play then.

WandaWonder · 11/03/2024 09:17

It doesnt matter if it's soft play or a Michelin restaurant kids running around is dangerous for staff, customers kids themselves

If an adult dropped someone onto a child who would the parents blame?

Either way justifying 'it's soft play kids run riot' is not the answer

SpringtimeBunny · 11/03/2024 09:30

Goldenrainbows · 10/03/2024 07:29

I promise I was dealing with DS but it was made harder by her repeated interruptions.

I get you OP. Sadly on AIBU a lot of posters make up their own narrative and here they've decided for themselves that you saying your DS was playing up but that you were dealing with it, that this means your DS was shouting, screaming, disturbing everyone and you were doing absolutely nothing about it 🙄. 3yr olds sometimes do act up but that does not give that nosey woman a free pass to stick her nose in and try telling you what to do with your own child.
My DC has always been good in public but I do know that it often happens at that age and removing them from the room doesn't always guarantee they'll suddenly behave.
I also think posters have purposely ignored the fact that you said this place was a family restaurant not the bloody Ritz! So it's hardly unheard of to occasionally hear some whining from a tired child

SpringtimeBunny · 11/03/2024 09:37

PrincessHoneysuckle · 10/03/2024 10:07

That would ruin my meal and would have told you to sort your child out tbh.

It was in a soft play! 🙄

thepastinsidethepresent · 11/03/2024 13:07

CleansUpButWouldPreferNotTo · 11/03/2024 00:01

I agree, but that still doesn’t mean OP should waste money by not eating an already paid for meal because her toddler is running around. Who’s to say he wouldn’t calm down when the food arrived?

He shouldn't have been running round in a place where hot food and drink are being carried. IMO if he was that overexcited it would have made more sense to take him back to the accommodation to eat.

Londonrach1 · 11/03/2024 13:11

Why you comparing your dc to others. .you deal with your dc. If he can't sit you take him out for ten mins instead of ruining other people's meals. Yes it means your or dh dinner gets cold but that's life. All parents done that. Yabu. Swinging back on the chair is very dangerous and you as the parent should have stopped that! Your dc is three and didn't see risk.

Stormyweathr · 11/03/2024 13:40

Maybe the child was closer to the lady in question than you, so she felt obliged to try catch your child if they did start to fall, this may have been what annoyed her

beanii · 11/03/2024 13:41

So to put it simply - your child was misbehaving, running around, climbing on furniture etc whilst other people were trying to eat quietly?

You should have taken your child out at the first sign of misbehaving. You then give him one more chance to sit still and eat and if he doesn't you go home.

He'll soon learn.

I'd have said a lot more than 'he'll fall'.

Greenpolkadot · 11/03/2024 13:43

WhatWhereWho · 10/03/2024 15:18

How did her comments stop you controlling your kid?

I wondered this too.

Whowhatwherewhenwhy1 · 11/03/2024 13:45

“But i do accept we shouldn’t have taken DS, as I can’t control him at all so we reliant on his cooperation which obviously wasn’t happening.”

so knowing you cannot control your kid at all by your own admission you thought it was ok to take him out foerlunch on mothers day - a rare occasion for many mums to relax and be treated and ruin it for others. - which clearly you did for at least this woman. If you cannot rely on a kid behaving in public they should not be in public in a confined space. Do better.

Infinityandbeyondx · 11/03/2024 13:53

Omg these replies are frustrating. Have people any idea what its like to parent a 3 year old? Mine is wonderfully well behaved 95% of the time but like any other 3 year old he has his moments. You are away and have chosen to eat at a family restaurant with a play centre, if other diners don't want to be bothered by children then they should choose a different restaurant without a bloody play centre perhaps?? As long as you were dealing with it you've done nothing wrong and I'd find the woman's behaviour and comments really unhelpful and unnecessary. Parenting young children is stressful enough without dealing with people like that aswell! As a mother of 2 small children I've often found myself avoiding places for fear of my children 'playing up' or 'bothering' others which has led to me being quite isolated at times. Kids will be kids and I've yet to meet a young child who is well-behaved 100% of the time. You're also away so usual routines have gone out the window which is bound to impact your little one in some way. Hope you enjoy the rest of your time and don't encounter this woman again!

Lou670 · 11/03/2024 13:57

She was in the right. It is your child and your problem to deal with it. You should have taken them out of the restaurant to calm down, had they not calmed down then you should have left and gone home.

Abbyant · 11/03/2024 14:07

you've come to the wrong place if you think the parents on mumsnet aren’t going to tell you, you’re a terrible parent for not keeping your child under control 😂. But seriously people should mind there own business it’s a family restaurant with a soft play of course kids are going to be hyped up.

Underestimated4 · 11/03/2024 16:03

I agree with the others I’d have taken my child outside.

However on her part if she goes somewhere with a play area there’s going to be kids.

I think I’d have said to her that I would appreciate her not to interfer.

Verv · 11/03/2024 16:06

Woman speaking up about little shit running riot ruins parents plan to completely ignore it.

More news at 10.

Crumpleton · 11/03/2024 16:16

Seems there are two types of options on these family friendly pubs.

One side are those thinking the whole pub and all patrons that visit should realise that by family friendly if it does contain a play area internally that it isn’t just that specific area where play/running freely is to be contained, its the whole pub so kids can run riot and if you don't like it don't go, that you should choose to dine else where.

Then there's those that maybe feel the area set out as a play area is set out for kids to play/have fun and run around in so all good, seperate places. While the restaurant side itself where the dining tables, chairs, cutlery and condiments are placed is for sitting and dining, eating...not sat in silence but at least being able to sit chatting as is done while out enjoy a meal.

Maybe there's something in the if you don't like it don't go side.
Take your buisness elsewhere but unfortunately once those diners that just want to enjoy a meal, mainly regulars, stop going and the establishment runs into funding issues which will be the first to close the restaurant side or play area?