People would be happy to pay more tax if it went directly to the NHS

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I think people would be happy to pay more tax if it was guaranteed to go to the NHS.

Completely agree with you @Spywoman.

To save our failing services it would cost us more than an extra 1p or 2p

ypu raise income tax it has a knock on impact on costs and many people simply can not afford to loose more of their wage

the NHS needs reforming not just money thrown at it though it would help in the short term

Whilst there are more over 65's than under 15's (and getting worse) you're on a hiding to nothing.
The discussions that need to be had are far more difficult than about money.

I work full-time in the NHS. NHS Scotland where we pay extra tax.

Agree with this

Do they charge everyone the fiver? Children, those on benefits, the elderly?? Most of my non attenders are the latter.
Or just the same poor sods in the middle?

@Spywoman not enough working age adults in the UK pay enough income tax for your dream to come true. The figures vary but there are a vast amount who don’t pay any at all. You need an awful lot of high earners to foot the bill. As you can see from many threads on here recently, a lot of people don’t feel earning over a certain amount is worth it. People mocking them and telling them to change their lifestyle. also causes a lot of resentment. They are expected to just be nice and pay more tax without complaint. Many choose to work less and earn less.

I do think a European model would be much better for most people but too many seem to be wedded to the nhs.

This 100%

Look at the root causes and pour money in there

The nhs gets a lot of money. The way its run is bad and its losing money left right and centre due to poor management and decisions. It needs a massive overhaul imo. Id hate to see it go private. I’ve worked in the nhs so do have first hand experience

I wouldn't unless there is reform. Too much is wasted on outside companies and expensive patented drugs. The NHS has become a bit of a gravy train. If it was going to be spent on more doctors or nurses that would be different.

It's not just the NHS though is it. It's schools, and defence, and social care. The list goes on. It all needs more money, yes I'd rather they didn't cut taxes right now, but not solely because of the NHS.

The nhs. Needs overhaul not just cold hard cash.

Dh was in recently brilliant in one sense. Yet he was in longer than needed blocking a bed because they couldn’t find someone to sign of on his discharge paperwork. So an extra over night stay, extra food fed and extra drugs given when he was ready and fit to leave the day before. Even the nurses on ward thought it stupid and where chasing every number they had to try and get someone to get his paperwork sorted.

We cannot do anything about people getting older, we could have far more effective preventative healthcare but would people listen?

The private sector involvement in the NHS needs either to be scaled back or reformed, its utterly ridiculous, these companies aren't saving us anything, they just mimic what the NHS is doing but have huge admin teams, again mimicking what the NHS is doing... ie HR, IT & managers.

But the NHS isn't going to be getting more money or reform (which in the short term will cost more) the NI cuts (soon to be) announced, will be paid for by real term cuts to the NHS and beyond.

The NHS budget is not the problem. How money is spent is.

So I agree there meets to he transparency and reform before more money is poured into it.

This

I think this thread, and the vote, show people have lost faith.

The NHS needs both money and reorganisation. If you look at the gdp/capita gong on health in the uk versus other nations, we are on the low side. Germany spends about 60% more than us and France 15-20% more. If we want a technological health service delivering modern medicine, we have to put more money in.

On the other hand, would a sudden influx of money be used wisely or just lead to health service inflation? The NHS is a very leaky bucket!

And the staff vary hugely (which is hardly surprising), from some of the brightest and kindest I have met to the dim, uncaring and, on a couple of occasions, downright cruel.

I think they need to scrap the brand, which has been tarnished beyond repair, use copayments, and be as creative as possible to deliver excellent care. But, if we want an excellent system, it needs more money too.

Obesity is a hugely complex issue to tackle though and requires the same kind of massive effort as the nhs itself. It would involve taking on the big food companies in a way that I doubt government has much appetite for.

Don't get me wrong, it's hugely important and needs to be done. But it requires significant change.

Then you've also got things like the crisis in social care that impacts the nhs too - also a huge problem with no easy answers

Not until the current issues are resolved. The supply chain is dreadful, no economy of scale, under resourced. Only have to read some of the threads on here to see how badly staff are treated.

The solution is to look at the systems that actually work France and Germany have far superior health service and outcomes. We need to let go of the NHS but this needs political parties to work together not use the NHS as a politics football

many of us here work in the nhs we can see how it’s failing everyday we experience this we see the wasted money and poor management made from high above we experience the systems that are not working and too many on here the NHS has given them poor service failed them and their families

we deserve as patients and employees better

the NHS was was wonderful when it worked for what it was designed for those days are long gone

These countries spend far more per capita on health than we do, as CV costs work through the system, the UKs health budget is actually falling.

The UK has for decades, not spent enough on Health, we vote for Tax cuts instead.

European countries have far more nurses, equipment, Doctors and beds per person than the UK does.

Where are the people going to come from to be medics etc? people wanting to become AHPs is less than the numbers leaving the NHS.

Its only going to get worse.

I would be happy to pay more tax for public services but not until this government is removed and we’ve tackled the issues of cronyism and government waste / mismanagement/ corruption. Not specifically the NHS (although I’m sure some reform is needed) given than we underspend on health compared to other countries) but rather the Tories creaming off what they can while services (not just health)crumble.

No, I pay a ridiculous amount of tax as it is, I can't afford to pay any more, where it's going doesn't change that.

The tax thresholds need to be increased in line with inflation.

I thought the vote might be the other way on here

I mean not majority yabu

I agree. Also, raising income tax will mean the working poor will struggle more, which will exasperate the root causes further.

We need massive investment in crumbling buildings. We waste so much money patching up old Victorian buildings, no longer fit for purpose.

we need to be mindful that the cost of new cancer and other novel drugs is huge. We all want access to those if needed, and those costs are nothing to do with inefficiencies. In fact, NICE are hard negotiators and we pay less for them than anywhere else, and typically half of what is paid in US.

we need to invest in social care so patients don’t ’bed block’ (I hate that term), when medically fit for discharge

none of those involve reform of NHS process (which will cost so much and will be hugely political chaos), but would make a huge difference to NHS on daily basis, and improve efficiencies.