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To wonder if DINKs will be more lonely when older?

972 replies

Aintbaint · 05/03/2024 14:42

Ok, so hear me out. This isn’t an US v Them thread …
I have a lot of Double Income No Kids friends - for various reasons, mostly choice.
So for most career has been their main focus, followed by their partner… Most have been very financially comfortable, travelled a lot, able to afford holiday homes, successful work wise etc basically all the benefits of no kids!

But now we’re all in our late 40s and 50s and slowed down a bit, retired early, separated or divorced, Quite a few just seem to to have lost focus, seem a bit depressed or unhappy, and don’t have the same focal point that having kids can bring.
I stupidly thought that kids would get older and we’d have our independence back but obvs kids are always there in someways - you never stop worrying or thinking about them or doing stuff with them. So still that focal point in many ways and Indaynthat as someone who does have a FT job they like and hobbies…

YABU - of course DINKs are just as happy and not lonely etc

YANBU - it’s harder as you get older when it’s just you or you+partner and work isn’t as important or you retire

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nappyvalley2024 · 07/03/2024 13:04

SoRainbowRhythms · 07/03/2024 12:57

And your post about life being pointless without children wasn't horrible at all? I'm sure some people who can't have yet want children felt great reading that.

Point taken

SomeCatFromJapan · 07/03/2024 13:06

If you don't have kids then what is the point, what is it all for?

But that in itself is just an endless, pointless cycle. You have kids to give meaning to your life, then they are compelled to breed yet more kids to give a similar meaning, and it's jut a never-ending cycle of meaningless lives trying to create meaning by reproducing.

That is utterly depressing. I'd much rather enjoy my actual life in the way I choose- either way, you only get one go on the ride. And by the time your grandchildren are having their children, you'll be forgotten as much as I will.

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 07/03/2024 13:07

nappyvalley2024 · 07/03/2024 12:36

If you don't have kids then what is the point, what is it all for? You can earn all the money in the world but surely all the holidays and spending gets boring once you've seen it all and done it all.

Having children is just one of the most amazing things. It's hard work and they do cost a lot, but so worth it.

Your post and opinion is an obnoxious disgrace.

I, like many other posters, cannot have children. It is absolutely physically impossible for me. I've spoken to the consultants and gynaecologists etc. Second, Third opinions and more.

In the tiny, tiney chance that I ever managed to get pregnant, the child would not survive and there is also a risk to my life.

But thank you, and your limited intelligence and lack of understanding and empathy for telling me that there's no point to my life.

I may not have children but I sure has hell have more have more emotional intelligence, compassionate and respect for people than you ever will.

You have the audacity to tell other posters that they have written horrible posts.

Resilience · 07/03/2024 13:08

HighonCatnip · 07/03/2024 13:01

YABU

All the DINKS I know tend to put a lot of effort into friendship and relationships and hobbies and are anything but lonely.

In contract, I know quite a few parents of older kids who really struggle once the kids leave home. Their entire life was about the kids for so many years, there isn't much of a life left once they've flown the nest. So they have to almost restart, rebuild their lives.

This is quite insightful. Obviously doesn't apply to all parents but it's definitely common and particularly so for women I think who often sacrifice more of their personal hobbies etc to prioritise children.

Rosindub · 07/03/2024 13:09

Aintbaint · 05/03/2024 14:42

Ok, so hear me out. This isn’t an US v Them thread …
I have a lot of Double Income No Kids friends - for various reasons, mostly choice.
So for most career has been their main focus, followed by their partner… Most have been very financially comfortable, travelled a lot, able to afford holiday homes, successful work wise etc basically all the benefits of no kids!

But now we’re all in our late 40s and 50s and slowed down a bit, retired early, separated or divorced, Quite a few just seem to to have lost focus, seem a bit depressed or unhappy, and don’t have the same focal point that having kids can bring.
I stupidly thought that kids would get older and we’d have our independence back but obvs kids are always there in someways - you never stop worrying or thinking about them or doing stuff with them. So still that focal point in many ways and Indaynthat as someone who does have a FT job they like and hobbies…

YABU - of course DINKs are just as happy and not lonely etc

YANBU - it’s harder as you get older when it’s just you or you+partner and work isn’t as important or you retire

My guess is that your children are making you very unhappy at the moment and this thread is your way of consoling yourself.

HighonCatnip · 07/03/2024 13:12

nappyvalley2024 · 07/03/2024 12:36

If you don't have kids then what is the point, what is it all for? You can earn all the money in the world but surely all the holidays and spending gets boring once you've seen it all and done it all.

Having children is just one of the most amazing things. It's hard work and they do cost a lot, but so worth it.

As a mum, I feel a bit sad for you reading this post. It's really a shame that you have this entire life to lead and can't possibly think of any other fulfilling purpose than having children. Honestly, I hope you find some sense of belonging and purpose someday beyond your children. You will be a better parent for it too.

Rosesanddaisies1 · 07/03/2024 13:13

nappyvalley2024 · 07/03/2024 12:36

If you don't have kids then what is the point, what is it all for? You can earn all the money in the world but surely all the holidays and spending gets boring once you've seen it all and done it all.

Having children is just one of the most amazing things. It's hard work and they do cost a lot, but so worth it.

Pretty sad you’ve had to birth yourself someone to have fun with. Get some friends

nappyvalley2024 · 07/03/2024 13:13

This reply has been deleted

We are taking this down as its not in the spirit of the site.

nappyvalley2024 · 07/03/2024 13:15

'Pretty sad you’ve had to birth yourself someone to have fun with. Get some friends'

Gosh you are so so wrong.

InterIgnis · 07/03/2024 13:38

Why does there need to be a point beyond living the life that brings you the most happiness? For some that means children, for others that means travel, or career, or whatever else. Each to their own, surely?

piealhxiprshl · 07/03/2024 13:41

Why does there need to be a point beyond living the life that brings you the most happiness? For some that means children, for others that means travel, or career, or whatever else. Each to their own, surely?

That's it exactly isn't it, anyone who feels the need to question and judge publicly other people's decisions clearly has some insecurity and unresolved issues of their own.

BenefitWaffle · 07/03/2024 13:46

@nappyvalley2024 You have not responded to my question about how many children you have and how old they are. From your user name I would guess your children are babies or toddlers and you are still in the all consuming stage of motherhood. That changes and you will find other things also become important to you.

BenefitWaffle · 07/03/2024 13:48

There are people I think who have greater meaning in their lives than I do. For example nuns with a strong faith and vocation. They believe every day of their life matters and every single thing they do is important.
I do not want to be a nun, but that sense of vocation must be special to have.

KimberleyClark · 07/03/2024 13:48

@@nappyvalley2024 you haven’t answered my question about how people who can’t have children fit into your limited worldview either. Doyou think their lives are pointless?

Everythinginnature · 07/03/2024 13:50

Oh nappyvalley, I'm sorry your life holds very little meaning or focus outside of your children, that is quite sad to read. Do you also feel you never knew love prior to having children?

BenefitWaffle · 07/03/2024 13:53

For some people having children does give their life meaning. I think it is unfair to mock that. But it is also unfair to think that is the only way to have meaning in your life.

MaybeWhoKnew · 07/03/2024 13:54

nappyvalley2024 · 07/03/2024 12:53

'Be careful. It sounds like you are one of those women whose entire identify is tied up in their offspring. If things ever go wrong, you might feel extremely lost if your life lacks meaning in other ways.'

What a horrible post.

I have lots of meaning in my life, enjoy my career and lots of friends and family. But yes you are right I would be lost without my children...

Your comment was far more blinkered and unpleasant. My kids are the most important thing in my life. But I am not so narrow-minded to think a life without children is pointless. That’s a dreadful and incorrect comment.

Just imagine if your children have fertility issues one day. Would you tell them that their futures are pointless then?

As I always tell my kids, there is more than one way to live a life.

BenefitWaffle · 07/03/2024 13:57

For different people, different things are important in their life. I would hate never to have got married, but I know some women who are very happy single.

MaybeWhoKnew · 07/03/2024 14:02

I had a quick check for research purposes. Nappyvalley has one small child in nursery. Might explain why she doesn’t see that the future can change and childrearing can get complex.

(She also started a nasty whining post about having to work whilst her lazy sil is giving up work to claim benefits and how ‘deflated’ she is with ‘literally’ no time to breathe apparently. So I am not sure how happy she is with her lot anyway).

Pinkdaffodils900 · 07/03/2024 14:04

BenefitWaffle · 07/03/2024 13:57

For different people, different things are important in their life. I would hate never to have got married, but I know some women who are very happy single.

This is very true. I couldn't imagine life without my DH and I know I enjoy doing things more with him than I do on my own. But my friend can't think of anything worse than having a partner and is quite determined to stay single. She seems really happy. My sister with a DH and DS seems very happy too. We all have different wants and needs.

LuckySantangelo35 · 07/03/2024 14:18

@nappyvalley2024

ill never get bored of going on holidays and travelling the world. You must have had some shitty holidays!

the drudgeries of parenting - now that can get boring I imagine.

KimberleyClark · 07/03/2024 14:21

ill never get bored of going on holidays and travelling the world.

Neither will I. I’ve discovered a real joy in travelling the world, seeing and exp.oring new places.

BenefitWaffle · 07/03/2024 14:23

I was a bit aghast at the idea that you can in an average life visit everywhere in the world you would want to go. Every year I discover new places I would like to visit. I will never get everywhere in my lifetime.

Tahinii · 07/03/2024 14:45

This reply has been deleted

We are taking this down as its not in the spirit of the site.

You can dish it out but you can’t take it?

There was a way to get your POV across but you chose to be judgemental and seem upset that you’re being judged too?

Its great that being a parent is the most important thing to you, you don’t have to disparage others and say their life does not have a point.

SomeCatFromJapan · 07/03/2024 14:46

ill never get bored of going on holidays and travelling the world.

Me neither. There's so much I haven't seen yet in Europe alone.